Russian Tanks Cross Border Into Ukraine

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I watched it live on MSNBC

It should be available online soon.

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I found it. Here's a You Tube link.



Remarks begin at 54:15.

Yeah, he really didn't say much. No details on the sanctions, which will target Russia's ability to sell debt instruments, nothing new on Ukraine and nothing at all on Russia closing the Kerch Strait.

 

All I know is you'll attack Biden no matter what he does, short of giving Putin everything he wants.

 

Oh now it's the Russians that are terrorists and not the ones that bomb at will - like us?

You sound like the fools who said there wouldn't be a war before WWI and WWII. They were wrong, and you are wrong. A war is considered imminent by just about every nation in the world, and not because of Russia and China, but because they fear the dying empire.

 

If Russia can take us out within 2 minutes, it's unlikely we could ever get our ICBMs off the ground....or just a small number of them. Then the other part of the equation is that Russia can likely intercept our ICBMs far far before reaching Russian airspace. It's questionable if Russia would even take a direct hit at this point. You have to think about a scenario whereby it's not mutually assured destruction at this point. Their missile tech is way ahead of ours.

 

Maybe not yours from the confines of your recliner and keyboard.

You're not going to like what I have to say but if you think the US will walk right into Crimea or the Donbass for that matter and not get its ass handed to it by Russia, you are sadly mistaken.

Idiots in Washington had the same idea about walking into Vietnam....you remember how that turned out? Hell, we couldn't even win that pathetic conflict and you think you're gonna beat Russia's ass? LOLLOLOLOLOLOLLOL In their own backyard and on their own soil? Delusion, that's what that is. You want to straight up get your ass handed to you? Just try it.

Can't win Vietnam; Korea; Afghanistan; Syria; Iraq......damn, what exactly have we won without dropping an A-Bomb? Answer = NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE. Kosovo....is that it????

 

They don't need to walk in. That implies boots on the ground. If Russia were to (for some insane reason) launch a major invasion/incursion into the Ukraine there would be a response lag but the US is more than capable of;

1) Providing logistical support to Ukraine including modern weapon systems as well as the training needed to use them effectively.
2) Providing air support to neutralize targets both inside Ukraine and across the border (just) inside Russia without actually approaching the border. (Although they would probably chose to avoid the latter if they could) - The US has almost twice as many modern jet aircraft as Russia) and overall a clear technological lead. Not in all areas but in many.
3) Sanction the ass off the Russian economy - which is already limping.
4) Ask NATO for a little assistance with the above if they would be so kind.
5) Sit back and watch as Putin stews in a juice of his own making. The recipe? One part severe economic downturn, one part mass seizure/freezing of Oligarch assets. Add a big dollop of public outrage at home over the casualty figures and finally add dash of cold water in the form of a display to the world of just how ineffective (in general) Russian weapon systems are compared to American). Which will do wonders for the future of Russia's high tech arms exports. Oh the US would get hurt/take casualties no doubt. But Russian air and ground power in the region would be crippled.

None of which BTW the US would actually want to do, not at all. Anymore than Putin wants that kind of fight either. The current deployments are about political posturing and sending messages not starting a fight no-one benefits from, least of all Russia. (Sorry I meant Putin).

Personally? - I think Vlad would 'tolerate' Russia 'bleeding a little' if it was in his personal best interests. Fortunately its not and probably never will be.

 

We would have to be EXTREMELY careful with our air power. Russia doesn't need so many aircraft because they have some of the best air defense systems in the world. We would be in their court, and I can guarantee it will absolutely be bristling with air defenses. We won't see a highway of death like in Iraq where we were able to easily overwhelm their air defenses.

 

Yep. But I cant see US Air Force Commanders/planners ever being anything but careful, even in situations where they aren't expecting significant resistance. Which is not the case in this scenario obviously.

I don't see any way the US would engage Russian targets inside Ukraine except from long range to avoid anti air defenses. And even then there would be casualties. Point is Russia's would be much worse.

 

There were no nukes prior to WWI and WWII. I am 100% correct.

Russia loves to use this fear mongering tactic to try and manipulate Americans and other westerners into fearing Russia and hating and distrusting their own elected leaders on that basis, because we're all supposed to fear that our elected leaders are provoking poor Russia to attack us. That propaganda has grown old and stale.

 

US leaders have done more then enough domestic evil and perversion for me to hate them with a passion.

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Antichrists, all of them!

 

LMAO.

Respectfully, you know nothing of what you speak. You haven't set foot in Ukraine or Russia. You know nothing about the history in that region or the genocide that is currently taking place. I'm sure Hitler said something along the lines of what you said....there will be some casualties but the war will be won. How did that turn out for Hitler anyhow? Oh yeah, the Russians beat the **** out of the Germans all the way from Volgograd back to Berlin.

The Russians will never ever be caught by surprise again as they were with Hitler. There will never be an invasion of Russia. They will not be screwing around. The Black Sea's bottom will be filled with NATO ships and Kiev will be in the hands of Russia if they so choose. You should dig out a map. Ukraine's second largest city is about 30 miles from Russia....a long way from Kiev. Russia could take that city in hours. By the time the US did anything, Russia could be in Kiev. It's not even close. But here's news for you. Russia doesn't give a **** about Ukraine. They don't need it. They don't want it. You think Russia's economy is in bad shape? Hell, go take a look at Ukraine's. Sanctions HAVE NOT DONE A DAMN THING BUT MAKE RUSSIA STRONGER. Oligarchs, really? You think Putin is a friend to oligarchs? That shows what you know about Putin.

And FYI, if Ukraine wants to avoid war...then all they have to do is abide by the Minsk Peace Agreements that THEY already signed up to. You see, the Ukrainians are some sorry ass lying sobs. THEY are the ones pushing war. THEY are the instigators. Why so? They want some of that US welfare. Figure it out yet? It's corruption. The Ukraine is the MOST corrupt country in Europe, hands down not even close. They are making this provocation to line THEIR CORRUPT OLIGARCH'S POCKETS.

That concludes today's lesson of how the real world is in Eastern Europe.

 

Symbolic Babylon of Bible prophecy is ruled over by symbolic ten kings who each only rule Babylon temporarily [like modern presidents] while hating the Babylon they rule and actively trying to destroy her. When I first read that as a child it made no sense to me why any ruler of a nation would intentionally undermine, pervert and destroy it. But that is exactly what the leaders of the USA [and other former White Christian European nations] have done since the end of WW2.

In other words... the West's own leaders have systematically undermined, weakened, gutted and destroyed the West from within. Putin didn't have to do a thing but be a good king and spend his time, effort and treasury righteously building up and enhancing his own nation ... while Western nations were busy self-destructing! This reminds me of Isaiah 45... how God chose righteous Cyrus and subdued other nations before him... including Babylon!

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Now there's a familiar retort.

А ты откуда, наш друг?

 

Firstly I wasn't addressing the current situation in the Ukraine. I was addressing the question of a hypothetical invasion/incursion by Russia. (Not who did what to who first and why its OK for the side I support to shoot people. Fascist this, Communist that ... blah, blah blah.)

Nor did I say anything about invading Russia. (That's a figment of your imagination not mine.) For that matter even if I had mentioned it (which again I didn't) why on earth would NATO want to put lots of naval assets in the Black Sea? That's simply not a requirement for the scenario I outlined.

None of the other statements you made are really relevant either. For instance the state of Ukraine's economy has nothing whatsoever to with how badly any invasion would damage Russia's economy. And where did I say Putin was a 'friend' of the Oligarchs? Their patron yes. Friend no.

Finally the Oligarchs? They're important only to the extent that they are rich and powerful and will NOT take kindly to having large chunks of that wealth and power frozen/confiscated simply because Putin decided to start a war. Dealing with the consequences of their unhappiness and would just be another problem piled on top of all the others for Putin to deal with.

So next time? Perhaps you should address the points I actually raise rather than ones you imagine I do.

 

Your response says it all. You know nothing about what is currently happening or what the outcome would be if the US was SO STUPID as to go into Ukraine or Russia to fight Russia.

Try to at least educate yourself and them come back with something worthy. But an education won't he had with a few clicks on the 'net. You need to put your boots on the ground and see it first hand...like I have....then you'll have a whole new perspective.

 

Again - still not specifically addressing any of the points I raised in my post.

And whats with this the 'boots on the ground' fetish of yours? The US doesn't have to 'go into' Ukraine to support it during any potential military conflict with Russia (at least not in any significant numbers). It's quite capable of providing that support from Western Europe and Mediterranean.

I suppose it could send boots if the Ukrainians needed them. But I'm sure they can make their own

 

Even if that were true (and it's not), that's why we have what we politely call a "second strike" capability in our fleet of Ohio-class SSBNs. But let's try to do some basic math to figure out how realistic a Russian hypersonic first strike really is. What hypersonic missiles does Russia have in service today? How many of them do they have? How fast do their hypersonic missiles travel? What platforms can they be launched from? Where are those platforms stationed and what is their range? On the US side, how far do the hypersonic missiles have to travel from their launch point to their target? How many targets in the US do they need to strike to cripple our own ICBM inventory? Do you know the answers to any of these questions?

You think quite a bit more highly of Russia's anti-missile capabilities than even the Russians do. How many ICBMs has Russia intercepted in its entire history? How many systems do they have that are even theoretically capable of intercepting an ICBM?

There's no question in my mind that Russia would take many hits in the case of a full nuclear exchange. I doubt there's any question in Putin's mind either.

 

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Israel to Help Ukraine Field Nuclear Weapons if NATO Membership Blocked by Biden
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The buildup of arms by Ukraine is not carried out for the purpose of defending the country. ” Sergei Tsekov, a member of the international committee of the Federation Council, told the same agency on Thursday that Ukraine needs nuclear weapons “not for its own defense, but for an attack on Russia.”

“Returning to Ukraine the status of a nuclear power threatens the whole world, as anything can be expected from its nationalist authorities,” he commented. And he added: Ukraine with nuclear weapons is like “a monkey with a grenade.”

Read full article here:
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2021/...-weapons-if-nato-membership-blocked-by-biden/
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I guess, the nationalists are the "Nazis" Jeannette keeps mentioning?

Why on earth would Israel involve itself to help Ukraine get nuclear weapons? Aren't they friends with Putin anymore?

 

The Bolsheviks are the best political movement ever created in the world.
Will explain. GDP growth in the USSR under Comrade Stalin - 36%. Neither before, nor after, not a single country in the world has had such a growth in GDP.
The scale of industrialization of the country under the control of the Bolsheviks was the highest in the history of mankind.
The growth of living standards during the rule of the Bolsheviks was the highest in the world.
The Bolsheviks completely eliminated illiteracy.
Under the rule of the Bolsheviks in the USSR there was no unemployment .... and so on.
One example. In 1945, the worst war in the history of mankind ended, and 15 years later, Gagarin flew into space. (For the first time in human history)
In just a few years, the Bolsheviks created a superpower from feudal and backward Russia with the second economy in the world. And all this despite many wars.

 

Zelensky forgot to mention that only about 4,000 deaths is a Ukrainian armed forces losses, and all the rest are civilians and rebels who didn't die for membership in EU for sure.

 

Israel loves war, as long as their boys don't do the fighting. They are experts of deception, and devote much effort to being the puppet master.