Russophobia explained.

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  1. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    • Bypassing or circumventing the profanity filter (Rule 9)
    Here's how it works - now pay attention y'all: Take a country, any one you like - let's take a Western country shall we? This supposed country's military realises that because of bad procurements decisions and a multiplicity of other <Rule 9>. Thanks,, its coffers are getting a tad low. So what does this 'imaginary' country do? Why, it's soooo simple I don't know why it isn't done more often - it demonizes another country; but it has to be a powerful country in order to justify the agenda to acquire max government funding when they hit the government with demands. Then it prepares the simple-minded citizens for conflict by holding military exercises on the borders of this notional country, think 'neuro linguistic programming'? And finally, the top brass of this military puts the frighteners on a useless effing government, then collects big-time? Job done, and bring on WW3?

    "UK warned that Russian threat requires increased defence spending"

    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-on-battlefield-and-against-civilian-services
     
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  2. D0nRumataEst0rsky

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    Before they hated the Jews, now they hate The Russians.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    <Rule 9>

    And I've just seen this . . .

    The US Defence Secretary said they’re not prioritising terrorists any more, now they’ve got China and Russia to worry about. What? Terrorism isn’t important any more? Not a threat? FFS this is getting really scary - WW3 is just around the corner. Just look at this cnut with his hand on chest.

    "US Defence Secretary James Mattis says competition between great powers, not terrorism, is now the main focus of America's national security"

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/348487/us-security-focus-no-longer-terrorism-defense-secretary
     
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    I don't have a problem with Russians who post as Russians, take Destroyer for example, he wants to kill me but he kinda grew on me.

    I have a problem with Russians who post as Americans and other nations.

    The worst of all is a Russian poster pretending to be 2 Americans, posting with themselves :roflol: ...asking pertinent questions :lol: I recommend they see a psychiatrist twice a week.

    Yeah I'm over it... completely now I'll borrow a quote
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    no one likes being deceived
     
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  5. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Look, you've backed the wrong horse; but don't worry, because you're in the majority. No point in shooting the messenger?
     
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    All normal people understand the difference between the government and the people. He wants to kill the US government, but not you.
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes I was being facetious when referring to his regular posting of Russia's weapons of doom as trying to kill me
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's nothing - I want to 'kill' the US government too, before it kills us by kicking off WW3.
     
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    Russia's a big country. I am sure there are plenty of Russians who would like to 'kill' all Americans, or who would not be unhappy if some big lethal disaster occurred in America. And vice versa.

    About fifteen years ago -- soon after the invasion of Iraq -- I checked into a Moscow hotel. When I handed over my passport to the desk clerk -- a little twerp -- he scowled at it and said, "America ... a very ugly country". I bit my tongue and didn't reply with any of many possible sarcastic rejoinders, nor with the little bit of Russian "matz" (?) that I know [beginning with the word "yob", a verb].

    Nationalists are often stupid people (and a little bit paranoid and given to seeing conspiracies and plots). Even when they share a lot of political beliefs, if they are loyal to different tribes they can't help but getting into a hate-fest with each other. This is one of the reason the Nazis lost the war -- they couldn't sincerely co operate with non-German fascists, such as existed abundantly in Ukraine, whom they considered racial inferiors.

    As for Russian state operatives, or quasi-state operatives. Just as the Americans earned themselves a lot of ill-will by so obviously interfering in Russian affairs during the 90s, so will the Russian operation with fake personalities that we've seen recently end up backfiring on them. Already the reliably hard-Left anti-American Counterpunch magazine has gotten pretty tee'd off by being fooled by an almost-certain Russian fake. You can read an independent Marxist's take on it here, the magazine's initial response here, or -- by far the most interesting -- their report on their extensive investigation of this troll operation here. (The last link is really interesting.)

    As a previous poster said, if supporters of the Kremlin, or of its foreign allies like the Assad regime in Syria, were open about who they are, and just made their arguments openly, there would be no problem. The internet has tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people supporting or opposing this or that cause, movement, tribe, nation. It's when they pretend to be something else -- a neutral journalist, for example -- and then get found out, that their cause gets discredited. No one likes to be fooled.

    During the Cold War, the Soviets had many sincere useful idiot followers in the Left, who helped organize 'World Peace Conferences', and similar events to influence the intelligentsia of the West. Some anti-Communist intellectuals tried to fight back, by forming 'The Congress for Cultural Freedom'. An admirable venture ... but when it turned out that it received funding from the CIA, it was deeply discredited in the eyes of many. People who had supported it, lent their names to its initiatives, were justifiably angry.

    Why the Russians are doing this is a mystery. There are many people on both the Left and the Right who oppose their governments' current hate-the-Russians push, or who take the side of the Assad regime in Syria. They do this out of sincere conviction. Why discredit them by inventing fake personalities who do the same?

    Probably the explanation lies in some Kremlin intelligence bureaucrat who came up with this idea, and now gets budget funding for running an empire of trolls, whose 'successes' he can report every month.

    Even worse, in the long run, are Russian attempts to stir up racial/religious hatred in the US, as they did in Austin. For a nation with between five and fifteen percent Muslim population, this is a very bad idea.

    But then intelligence agencies are often very unintelligent.
     
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    You don't understand the psychology of the Russians. Russia was in wars longer of time than USA exists. 90% of these "trolls" are usual people. They sublimate in such forms.

    USA is screaming about the intervention of Russia to conceal the actions of the intelligence services of different countries and the inner problems.
     
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    Could be, but I doubt really that this factory is true. I saw several times trumpists and anti-trumpists one in front of the others. Its natural for expressing your views, interfereing with someone else. I don't see why such an easy idea wouldn't come to any of these rioters. The sceme of color revolution was applied several times in lots of states. ANd basically since it is a practice - it would be used against the US like every other weapon. But 200 USD from a government and troll factory looks quite kinky to me. Look at me. I am a Russian and of what I tell - lots of things come from our official media. I am not paid. It is my hobby. But your story tells not about the real society you descrbed in your first sentences, but about hostile government which spends 200 USD for americans going to kill each other... I don't say it is impossible, but I doubt that this was the case.
     
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    Yes... But can't we just let them kill the US government after a Big fat Mac..?

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    Let me have a hit first... Then I'll kill the US government...

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    Tell me now Kolya... What good would that Big Mac do if I don't have a grande latte afterwards..?

    Killing the US government can wait a little bit I guess...

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    "America....big ugly country" the hotel clerk say....sure it is....one that everyone immigrates too, including many moskals!


    BTW.....I would've said"job tvojmadj" to the twerp! Ya don't want my money....there's other hotels!
    But that's just me saying.;).
     
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    There are those russkis that have become Americans but post as Russians here. They're all delusional , paranoids, that hate "us" Westerners so to speak. It's called an "inferiority complex" they possess, some may not agree here, but it's true.
     
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    Yes, the reference to his mother is what came to mind first, followed by saying something wounding about Russia that would injure his national pride. But I immediately recalled all the highly-cultured Russians I knew, and all the American ***-holes, and all the old women you saw in the 1980s standing by metro entrances with photos of husbands and sons who had disappeared during the war, hoping someone would recognize them ... and I just made a joke to my wife and finished checking in. Besides, he had my passport and could easily have 'lost' it.

    And ... I hope I'm not a conspiracy theorist but ... what power/movement/ideology/religious belief hates both America and Russia? And would love to stir up enmity between them? I've probably worn this quote out, but, as Lenin said, always ask Cui Bono? ... "Who benefits?" Yes, the people I have in mind are probably not intelligent enough to set up their own online troll operation to set Russia and the West and China at each other's throats, but then, I once thought they weren't intelligent enough to learn to fly airliners.
     
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    Yes true, "lost" your passport, charged you triple all of a sudden, or the food tasted"funny"!!;o_O
     
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    Why is the OP stating and over simplifying the obvious. I've never thought of Russia as the boogeyman. They are just trying to survive and promote their interests like any person or country would with vastly fewer resources.

    The OP focuses on one facet a good one but it's just one of many reasons why our government demonizes Russia. Russia produces equivalent military assets from bullets to jets for 75% less than our military complex supplies to the US government. Literally. That's our money via taxes just going to feed the trillion dollar companies that strangle us via our corrupt political establishment.

    I always took it as a given everyone knew that.
     
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    It was more fun when the Russians were Soviets. They were evil and easy to hate.

    Modern day Russians? They're just Western wannabes.
     
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    Here's the problem: if all the powerful countries in the world were like Britain, France or Germany, we could all propose to each other that we stop building/buying new airplanes, tanks, aircraft carriers, etc. They would clearly be a waste of money.

    But they're not. China's a dictatorship, and even if it wasn't, they have no reason to love the West, given their history with us. Russia is not a dictatorship, but it's far from being like Britain or France, and they don't feel particularly cuddly towards the Western democracies either, seeing what 'democracy' did to their country in the 90s, and how they were treated with contempt until they began modernize their military. (They weren't loved, so they decided to be feared.)

    So when the average American, or Russian, or Chinese looks up and sees squadrons of his nation's fighter jets roaring overhead, hundreds of tanks and APCs rolling down the main boulevard of his capital city, his country's guided missiles ascending majestically into the air ... he feels reassured. It's a dangerous world, and better to be a little too prepared than not enough, even if it means money spent making a supersonic plane that can fly backwards instead of finding the cure for cancer.

    Until we can change that situation no one is going to support significantly defunding his nation's military. Maybe some efficiency savings here and there, maybe a white elephant project cancelled, but we'll all stay armed to the teeth.

    But there is hope: this arms-race situation applied to the Great Powers of Europe in the late 19th/early 20th Century: they didn't trust each other, and armed themselves, even though they had no real conflicts of interest. Now they don't threaten each other, and all it took for this change of attitude was two major world wars and a few tens of millions of dead. So there's hope.
     
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    You do know that the Russian Kremlin invented the myth about non German "Nazis" in Ukraine in order to smear any group or movement that fought for independence/national self determination. They smeared the TATARS as Nazi collaborators and did the same to any group that wanted self determination. You do know all of that I am sure because you appear to be an honest intelligent person and only a dishonest Turd or a fool would believe Kremlin propaganda.I know that you are an honest and intelligent person who would never believe Kremlin propaganda. Yes that term is yob tvoiyou ma'ty but we do not use such a term in polite company or even during a conclave of Senators..
     
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    ahhh, but don't forget partisan...that the moskals ...or certain numbers...fought for those Nazis during WW 2, that they like to label others, even copied their methods, their scientists, etc. They are hypocrites of the worst kind...katsapeh they are.

    yob tvoy matiy...is bad word,lol, like "sookah tvoy madj", :).
     
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