said it before, Australia has a serious problem with priorities.

Unless you have multiple accounts I'm not talking to the person I told to sod off.

 

Beg your pardon I was wrong.

 

No problem.

 

Thank you for tacitly admitting that you are regurgitating extremist alt right disinformation about public school systems.

 

Put whatever words in my mouth you want.

 

No need since I can quote your own extremist alt right words directly from your post #15 above.

Of course you could always try to prove me wrong by actually providing credible statistics that the public schools are "failing".

 

Seriously how shallow are Australians getting,

https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/34893315/malcolm-turnbull-turns-down-sausage-sizzle-during-visit-to-cyclone-ravaged-town-of-lismore/#page1
I am sure the point of having far more important things to discuss is missed on many. Just think a considerable amount of people have been seriously affected by flooding, several lives have been lost. Serious issues with education and family welfare on so on, but what makes the news??? The eating habits of the past and current PM and the opposition leader. FFS, what frivolous issues, should somebody want to use such to demonstrate a failure of the Australian education system this would be a very good start. However, I do think this is just the beat up of the media to sensationalise a non-event…

 

Isn't that an Australian thing? To not make a fuss about stuff?

 

MMM, I always thought that, but seriously, the fuss over a sausage on a bit of bread while just ignoring the children starving. One really has to wonder...

 

Schools do report issues of seeming neglect as part of MO but seriousness of issue is gauged by outside agencies such as family and community services in more serious instances. I think the reality is that society won't eliminate issues such as this completely it seems for a huge variety of reasons but of greater importance is never giving up on an opportunity for children to break possible family cycles of dependency. It's a cycle in itself, one family comes in and one family goes out. Dad may have been in an accident or lost his job etc etc. Schools have welfare funds I believe to support students who are under-nourished or can't afford to attend essential excursions. If issue is growing then society needs to look at it and start to work on these 1%'s taking too much of society's wealth!

 

This issue is just a symptom of the malaise in the Australian economy. Falling jobs, falling wages, growing Government budget deficit, and a huge household debt overhang.

The tribulations of the bottom end of society are a leading indicator that the economy is heading in the wrong direction.

 

Yep. Just a symptom can lead to another generation of unemployed, uneducated, disenfranchised and people who have no hope.

 

The persistence of high levels of immigration at a time of negative job growth is importing unemployment and creating an underclass of immigrants who may never achieve their dreams after being locked into unemployment and under-employment.

Waves of immigrants will be qualifying for welfare in 2017 and future years as the jobs they immigrated for don't eventuate. This will further exacerbate the welfare budget blowout.

 

like we didn't know this.
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/be...mises-of-jobs-and-growth-20170404-gvd1ud.html

 

Sounds like the ABC making a mole hill into a mountain to me. I know a lot of teachers, and yes some do buy some bare essentials for the classroom, but they most certainly get reimbursed. Remember teachers have the tightest wallets going around. They make sure they get what they are owed. Perhaps the very few dedicated to their craft do it out of love, but I imagine they are very few. Certainly not the epidemic that is being crowed about.

Feeding children my ring hole! Most public schools have a program( in fact they do Garry, but each state is different, and the costs are incurred to the state education depatment) for the poorer students, where they are provided breakfast and in some cases free after school care and food. If the student is not deemed "poor enough", their parents can still pay a small sum for the same provisions.

Parents on the other hand is a different argument. I was shocked when my brother told me how much they had to pay for essentials for his three daughters last year. Yes they go to a public school, and for some reason we all think that means free. Perhaps we think that way because when we all went to school it was near enough to being free, but like everything in our new and supposedly better education system, created by the "Progressives" mind you, we fall very much short of that very ideal of free education.

Why should education be free? IMO it is one of four staples to a successful and flourishing society. Along with healthcare, housing, and security, education is essential in the growth of community and country. If it costs, it will inevitably lead to a growing rate of imbecilic thought processes, due to the lack of funds required by households, and that may eventually lead to a degradation of the society. Education is a key factor in the stability and growth of society. It should be a cost we are all willing to absorb.

Teachers whining about how hard their lot is! that's something new..............NOT!

 

Are you confusing this with Asylum seekers? If so, that's another ball game.

Most of Australia's immigration comes from the UK/NZ. Should we be limiting these countries from migrating. They do take lots of jobs from Australian citizens it seems but yet we don't question this???

 

We can't limit New Zealanders.

There have been a number of sob stories from poms who migrated during the resource project boom and then lost their jobs.

The point is that with permanent jobs declining, and overall working hours per worker declining, we are importing unemployment by excessive immigration in the current economic condition.

Yes, immigration of poms and others should be limited in the current economic conditions. Immigration numbers should relate to job creation numbers. Otherwise the misery of underemployment, unemployment, and downward pressure on wages will continue to spread.

 

Once immigration was sold as bringing in people to fill the low end jobs that locals did not want.or thta locals would move up in higher end jobs.
Now with skiled migration and education migration we are bringing in more white collared people.
However with the Free Trade deals, globalisation and improved computer comms and networking, it is no longer low end jobs being moved overseas but the middle white collar jobs.
Furthermore many of low skilled jobs are dropping in value and hours making it hard for a low skilled immigrant to build a life and family on that income. These jobs can only be performed by people who do nop have to live on these jobs.(Kids still at home or partnered people)

 

Yep understand your point. How about looking at the whole 457 visa setup. There should be periodical changes if not already but it seems some industries and jobs are strangely on this list of eligibility.

I think this is why many people see these visas as an attack on wage growth by creating less demand, which equates to desperation and then giving up work conditions in an effort to remain competitive.

While we are on the topic of education, we have many locally trained teachers who cannot find work apparently but in the mix are quite significant numbers of non-Australians filling teaching positions. Fairly certain teaching is on 457 visa eligibility list.

 

Yeah, good analysis. We were told also that we didn't have qualifications or skill for many high end jobs and therefore required imported skilled labour. Then we were told we didn't want to fulfil low end skilled jobs! Maybe it is the case and a blight on how Australians see the workforce. You know, do as little as possible but the biggest reward. We had been spoilt for a long time.

It wasn't that long ago that someone could make quite a substantial living on seasonal work. I haven't heard of this for quite some time so you are right. There maybe an intertwining of issues here that needs untangling to address issues. Maybe what it will take is a massive recession to bring people to their senses or at least help people refocus on reality.

 

Immigration is an initiative test for those who have the courage and the ability to undertake the adventure. Anybody who goes through the immigrant process has more initiative than his Australian job competitors.

It's a big step to uproot your life and move to a new country, especially if you do not have expert-level proficiency in the language of your destination country.

In regard to teachers, maths, science and IT teachers are in short supply and are definitely needed.

Perhaps the borders should be opened, and pubs should be licensed to deliver welfare benefits. Australians can then get off the sheep's back and onto the immigrant's back.

 

I like this post, there is a lot of truth in it.
We recently had an Indian/Pakistani family arriving at our town, running a little take away.
Boy those people are working hard, very very hard.
And no, they are not world class in making burgers, which makes it twice that hard.
But I admire their attitude and drive, something which is missing too often among our own.....
The mining boom brought up the worst in people, not only greediness, but complete complacency...
Cheers

 

I hope you don’t mind but I wish to address the premise of the thread in your comment so I have jumbled you comment.

For those who wish to see the context of the comment please read the original post.

I used the ABC report to centralise the premise I wish to point out. NOT the issue of teachers complaining of personal cost or the embellishments of media bias of political persuasion. I assumed that people would use known issues such as charities asking for donations for Australian children and other programs past and present.

As for teachers buying out of their own pocket. As the article states something as small as a sticker, might be over looked.

Sure there are programs in many schools but that is the issue isn’t it??? Why do we need to have such programs??? Such welfare programs are not conducive to betterment of educations yet I am positive these programs would be funded for education budget. As you clearly point out, but just how much is pushed to hide the ever growing problems of the poor.

Constantly I point out the major problem is welfare and so many jump up and down about the dole and pensions but many have serious lack of ability to comprehend the extent of welfare, such as corporate welfare such as subsidies to reduce production costs of Australian goods on a global market and how companies flaunt that system to suck the government purse dry, the food programs you point so clearly at and so many other programs rorted by so many who then turn to such issues of increasing demand on charities and welfare by those who need it. Constantly I point out why should a working family need welfare to simply survive in a society that demands to have its cake and eat it without any sacrifice for the future of community, state or nation.

Free education only exists in the utopian mind of the deluded individual who is so selfish as to not care or have interest in their fellow man as again I point out, as long as it does not affect them. I talk to many people about the very point of how much people have to live on and just how much they rely on government hand out to survive. So many think they raised a family without government support and still had a fairly good existence. Point out that cutting family payments to a considerable amount of working families is cutting meals of the table and they just do not believe it. I cannot recall the figures today but today with the ever increasing reliance on welfare by the average Australian has increased the ever growing demand on charities and the increasing poor element of the nation.

The problem becomes more prevalent when people take a symptom of increasing poverty and isolate it to their own belief of a system, such as this very point of teachers paying for things from their own pocket. Sure they are compensated in many ways but as the education budget gets tighter, just how long will that last???


I never would have thought it, but when charities ask to sponsor an Australian child, you really have to wonder just where is the nation going???