Salt Lake City - Police shot 13 year old with autism

She called the crises intervention team which is what she was told to do. I have already told you that.

 

Maybe if you want a therapist you call a therapist? There are no counselors standing by with emergency vehicles waiting for some kid to have a malfunction, these are parental duties and she's terrible at it.

 

Are you completely foreclosed to the possibility that the boy did present a threat and the shooting was justified? Just to make sure I understand your position correctly.

 

Of course....like that autistic child. Them cop must have been shakin in their boots...wouldn't you?

 

I have no idea why the cop shot, or if his action was legally justified yet. It could be that the boy presented a threat in some way and the shooting is justified, or it could be that the officer acted in contravention to policy and deserves to be punished. It's way too early to pretend there's any sort of clarity on that yet.

 

Just a thought...all of those here that are so quick to defend any action these cops take...
...no matter how violent or justified their behavior is...
are you all saying you would do exactly as they did???

 

Well it seems the PIGs couldn't "keep up" with the "kid in crisis", who
was running away from them. I can only assume that is why the shot him.

& Be Aware:
It is easy "keeping up" with a Cop trying to Justify Cowardly Thuggery.
It's like strolling through a Vacant Lot filled with Garbage. You just have to be
............................................................................................................... careful not to slip in the Pig
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BTW
Try and practice the BASIC Literacy of Debate etiquette, and keep your thin
comments separate from my more substantial ones, when you try to quote me

 

I don't know enough about the situation to answer how I'd react. I could certainly imagine some details that would lead me to shoot if I were in the cop's shoes, and I can imagine some details where I would not. Without knowing the details of this particular situation, it's impossible for me to say if it falls into the former or latter category.

 

Calling police officers "pigs" while opining about how badly you think they do a job means you're of little assistance or knowledge. You're just fussy about things you don't understand. Don't call them if you need help.

 

You are repeating yourself after you have been aswered. She had been told that if need be she should phone up the Crises Intervention Team. She believed it was needed but we do not know exactly why. She clearly got the police instead. She said she was given assurance the people who came would deal with it with the least roughness possible. I am assuming that was when they told her they would need to send the Police.

His problem something called an 'autism episode' which Mum says with him was a mass of screaming and yelling but not violence. Other piece of information. He was refusing to go to hospital. Unsure if that was just an appointment or whether Mum was trying to get him their due to him having an episode. Now this place says it has 3 people who are trained to deal with this kind of situation. Whether 3 go on one crises intervention team or three crises intervention teams I do not know but she got the police. They claim that the police all get some training in mental health issues though this does not seem to have been sufficient here.

What seeems to have happened when they arrived is that he ran away, they chased him told him to lie down and shot him several times.

I do not see that Mum would make a point of him not being violent if he was. That would help no one. However to an uneducated person his screaming and yelling might scare them and sound like violence.

I agree with you that the Police should not have been sent. The extent of damages and whether they are life long is not known yet but a child who already has a far greated difficulty managing life than most of us is going to have even more now and god help anyone when he has another 'episode' which he cannot help.

Now there was talk of a gun at the scene but the Sergent said no sign of one. It sounds like the sort of thing police say when they want to excuse unaccpetable behaviour on their part - sometimes putting the gun there. That is known.

There is also talk that the shooting was only done by one Police Officer. The other saying 'what are you doing. He is just a child'. That would need to be verified.

Bottom line we had a woman who had a child who many police have no idea how to deal with. One. who we have heard here, believing you need to keep on shooting them because they do not feel pain. We have a sick and vulnerable boy with a known illness. Mum phones up for help she believes she can get and is encouraged that she will be alright if she accepts the Police.

The violent occurance is also something which needs looked at. Mum says she did not say it. Yes she could be lying - frankly the only thing that even makes me consider that is that she has a Go Fund Me page on this. Assuming she is not needing arrested herself and is a normal Mum, there is no way she would tell them he was dangerous and tell every one else he was not or not tell them he was dangerous if he was. I just don't buy it. Whether someone on the phone believed screaming and yelling is violence I suppose is a possibility but Mum says she made it clear to him that he is not violent so it is also possible the police made this up to cover their tracts.

Result inappropriate people sent to a child in turmoil resulting in them shooting him several times possibly giving him life changing injuries.

Now they clearly were not adequately trained to deal with this situation.

Appropriate response - take this job away from the Police and give funding of this to people who understand how people with Austism/Aspergers function. As I said I saw a take on the police with another kid with autism. He was shot dead simply because they scared the **** out of him which they possibly meant to do but he did not respond as they expected so they killed him.

Get the police off this. I also read that around 22% of Police Killlings are of people with mental health Problems. Clearly that is why people believe this should change and the polcie should be defunded on this and the job taken up bu people who have the expertise to deal with it without causing them life changing injury or death.

I am surprised that you are unaware of the Police's part in dealing with people in need of mental health care.

 

see post 160.

 

The Go Fund Me Page. Of course in the US that would be needed to get the child the care he needed. I obviously come from where it is given at the time of need and Go Fund Me are not required for such essential help.

 

I read that whole long, silly post and didn't find the answer to my question. Are you open to the possibility that the police use of force was legally justified in this case? A simple 'yes' or 'no' will suffice.

 

A GoFundMe is not necessary to get medical care. It's necessary to line the pockets of people who are engaged in the online equivalent of panhandling.

 

Everything was argued there with reasons and examples. You calling that silly lets me know your place is not to debate but just to make personal attacks and most importantly not to take into account the information we know because that is what my post was saying and you call known information 'silly'.

As you refuse to acknowledge of argue known facts, you have no place in any discussion with myself.

 

My point was that there is a valid reason for the women needing the money. Hark at you. Poo Pooing known facts and immidiately claiming people are doing something there is no known evidence of. As I said as you do not value known facts, there is no point in you communicating with myself nor will I waste my time with someone incapable of understanding known facts.

 

Your refusal to answer my simple yes/no question tells me all I need to know about your (lack of) interest in authentic discussion.

 

Let's take this one step at a time.
1. She calls emergency services and asked for an officer trained in "mental health" and as a former LEO with a degree in psychology, that's not their job. It's never been their job, not even once.

2. They got a call to respond to someone with a "violent psychological episode" which means potentially violent. If you think that terrible parent is being honest, wait til the dispatch recording comes out.

3. Pretending that just because there has been cases where guns were "planted" means this is happening again is a broad brush logical fallacy.

4. The police are not here for therapy issues, end of story. She is the idiot here, and no one else.

5. Thinking you're going to defund the police and hire special therapists to give out cookies and teddy bears is laughable at best. That's not the job of emergency services and it should never be- be responsible for your own kid.

 

Evidently, police love peace and quiet. There is nothing more peaceful than a dead man or a dead child.

 

When they feel it necessary to shoot Children who are running away
When they ACT the Swine they WILL be called out for what they are
The present Chaos in the Streets was NOT born out of a Vacuum. It has
been born out of thousands of Unanswered instances of Police Abuse

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see here:
Or hows this for Stye Style Piggery ? - Do these Oinkers fit the definition ?

“If You Just Comply, The Cops Won’t Hurt You”
What's screwed up in this case, is the fact that when they discovered after cuffing him
that he was the wrong guy, and after assaulting the women taking the Video they went
ahead and tried to RUIN his life by charging him with resisting arrest.
see here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/comments/iijapi/if_you_just_comply_the_cops_wont_hurt_you/
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What say YOU Buri ? -
We should we give these two Pigs the "The Benefit of the Doubt" & "Qualified Immunity" ?
Especially considering that they tried to Ruin this perfectly Innocent Citizen's life by charging
................................................................................................................................................................. him with "Resisting Arrest"

It is infuriating watching these GOONs beat, taze and even murder people, for them not
having a light on their bike, or for some such other minor violation, and then having them
screaming for "Qualified Immunity" because they "Yellow Dog Feared for their Life"
...................................................................................................................... for THIS is a License to KILL...

.This .... ...............................................................
With
"Qualified Immunity" - Puts The Police "ABOVE THE LAW" - & anybody who thinks &
acts "ABOVE THE LAW", in my book is a Criminal and dam-right Deserving of such epithet

When they ACT the Swine they WILL be called out for what they are.
& if YOU don't like that - then STICK IT !

THE MIND SET

OF THESE BRUTEs
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WHO DONE THIS


When ALL the "benefit of the doubt" is said & done POLICE must be held
.................. A C C O U N T A B L E

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I know that feeling

 

So ... if you get infected with Corona or whatever other disease and fell serious ill to need emergency help and hospital ... it is also YOUR disease and so YOUR problem too?
Ajnd for whjat do you employ police officers if not to help and serve the citizens in emergency situations?

 

They do if they present an imminent threat to life which I'm sure this kid did, you don't know the facts yet so let's wait before condemning these poor officers. People with mental health issues are incredibly strong, resistant to pain and cannot be reasoned with, if that were not the case the mother wouldn't have had to call the police in the first place.

Oh yes, because we care about the opinion of racist murderers who've been trying to exterminate us for decades?

 

No they're not, that can happen to ANYONE, especially if they're using hand to hand to detain him without resorting to taser, batons etc These men just wanted to help and now you're condemning them as scum? How can you be such an ungrateful hypocrite? Plus I doubt their ability should be questioned by someone who can't spell 'incompetent', 'someone' or 'heroes'?

There training was fine, you de-escalate the situation, the kid was out of control, hence why they had to call the police in the first place.

Oh my god, what if one of those 'Neo Nazis' had died? What if he'd fallen and hit his head or collapsed due to his drug abuse and/or underlying health problems? You MONSTER you deserve to go to prison for MURDER! Killing this poor young boy who was a patriot and played high school and loved his mother and was trying to turn his life around after prison and all the other crap the press normally come up with.

"Oh" but you say "I was just trying to help! I was just trying to do the right thing!". So were these officers.

 

Nonsense, this was one in million. What reform? What could you do? Send paramedics and social workers to deal with this kid? But how will they subdue him for treatment? Believe me the police would LOVE not to deal with the mentally ill but there is no one else.