Sandy Hook- It's the guns fault, it's always the guns fault.

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  1. Richard The Last

    Richard The Last Well-Known Member

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    The gun did it!
    Right.... it is the plan of all gun makers to market to the mothers of crazy people. Always the plan... market to "high-risk" gun users. I'm not buying it.

    Those who lost family at Sandy Hook just want someone to blame and the killer and his mother who allowed him the gun are dead so they target the gun maker.
     
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    Your DAMNED right it's the guns fault in every mass shooting.If they had used a pea shooter or a water pistol we would never have heard about it!!!
     
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    And of the 300 million+ guns in 100 million+ hands
    How many were used to murder anyone?

    What's the ratio on these? What percentage of the 100 million or so known gun owners commit murder?
     
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    DUMB. Is the only response that is possible here and I'm not talking about the court ruling.
     
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    And, how many deaths by Vehicle in the US will you hear about in 2019?
    And, how many deaths by improper medical treatment in hospitals in the US did you hear about in 2018?
    And, how many deaths by Second Hand Smoke in the US did you hear about in 2017?

    More people will die from playing with Toys (that's not a joke) made for children this year alone, than have died in all the "mass shootings" the US has ever had to date. That's a fact. Do the homework.

    Yet, where is the moral outrage for banning:

    - Motor Vehicle
    - Doctors and Nurses
    - Tobacco Products and Tobacco Production
    - Toys (Yes! Kids Toys)

    Is it your statement here today that keeping Santa Claus working through Christmas, is more important than saving lives? Seriously, this is the equivalent.

    Even with Vehicles, there have been instances where manufacturers designed flaws into the accelerator and transmission where said vehicle would accelerate without input from the driver and kill someone. However, in the vast majority of the many thousands of people who will die this year alone from preventable collisions on our roads, most vehicles don't grow a brain, legs, arms and hands, then go out and kill someone. Doctors and Nurses, heavily trained and under oath to First Do No Harm, end up killing people in hospitals across America. Yet, how many of them are being fired, or how many hospitals are being shut down as a result. Smoking? Hell, we've been down this road for what seems like centuries upon centuries in this country and yet, even while there are many who want to see Tobacco Companies put out of business, they still hold strong lobbies in Congress and on K-Street, don't they. Toys? That industry will continue into infinitude to produce the random casualties that result in tiny body bags along the way.

    Accidents are accidents. That much is clear. But, intentional killings are intentional killings. That much is also clear. To date, there has never been a Firearm that rose up, put on a pair of pants, walked itself out the front door and killed someone merely because it wanted to. That has never happened and it never will happen.

    Put the blame where it belongs - on the individuals who engage in criminal activity. I realize that the Liberal Mindset is to avoid personal behavior as being something they should be responsible for having under control. I get that. I was once a Flaming Liberal. I know how this works with you guys. Trust me on this. I know full well what I am talking about here. Liberals, hate taking personal responsibility for their actions and they always seek to point the finger at ANYONE other than themselves for their final outcomes in life. It is ALWAYS the fault of someone else when it comes to Liberals. I get it. I do. Been there, done that before. Ain't going back.

    Personal Responsibility. That's the key. This is WHY Liberals in politics are such Control Freaks. They want to control Personal Behavior by controlling access to freedoms. They never focus on how to instill ethics or morals in the individual because they are too busy destroying ethics and morality. Why the hell would they want to focus on building those things. So, right off the bat, the Liberal will say: "It is the gun's fault." As though the gun has some kind of capacity for being sentient, or corporeal. Lunacy.

    The gun is not aware or conscious of its existence on this planet. The Individual on the other hand is fully aware and fully conscious that what they are about to do is either Right or Wrong. Liberals just refuse to acknowledge this reality. So, they make up their own realities:

    - It is Ok to kill the unborn in the womb
    - It is not Ok to use Firearms for self-defense

    Ergo, abortion is good and firearms are bad. Firearms kill people. Abortions, nah, we can just overlook. Right, Liberals. Wrong. Incredibly, wrong. And, you know it. You know it full well. You just want to control the lives of other people, while being absolutely FREE to do What Thou Wilt. Yes? Of course, you know I'm right. For I was once a Liberal, too! So, I know the game on both sides of the isle.

    Don't worry, Liberals. I'm an equal opportunity truth teller. I have my gripes about Conservatives, too. But, right now, this thread is about Flaming Liberals who cannot read the plain English as noted by your abject failure to read the following:

    Shall Not Be Infringed.

    What part of "Shall Not" do you fail to understand?
     
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    You're against strict rules and regulations for those things?
     
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    What part of "regulated" do you not understand?
     
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    No.

    Now, define "strict rules and regulations" for those things that are Firearms and you'll be saying something of value.
     
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    I don't understand where in the United States Constitution is says "Shall Be Regulated." That's the part I don't understand. Can you help me understand?

    It distinctly says: "A well regulated militia." However, that's not pertaining to the tools that well regulated militia as at its disposal.
     
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    There is no logical way around "Shall Not." None. The only way you get around "Shall Not" is to "Re-Write" the Constitution. What part of that do you not understand?
     
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    Why does it say "well regulated militia"?
     
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    What do you mean define it?

    All those things you mentioned have strict rules and regulations and laws, with the intention of keeping people safe, not just from criminals and intentional acts, but from accidents.

    So what's the difference with firearms?
     
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    You are the one leaving out words from the Constitution.

    Btw, the Constitution is a living document.
     
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    Guns are SPECIFICALLY designed to kill or maim,automobiles are a mode of transport.
     
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    The founders were specifically referring to the Militia's ability to come to their own defense, if and when necessary. They used the world "regulated" referring to the maintenance of the Militia. Not the regulation of the tool they used to defend themselves. The Militia the founders wrote about was about defenses against the tyranny of a centralized government they had little faith to believe would not go rogue, if allowed to become so big and controlling. They believed it so much, that they fought a war over it. Maybe you've heard of it: The War of Independence, circa 1775, or something like that. It was a little squamish, you may have read something about it in "skool."
     
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    We have about100 shot and killed and another 200 wounded every day of the year.We live in a perpetual war zone.
     
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    It's also the spoons fault when someone gets fat.
     
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    Yes we would. Lefties are never happy.

    Wrong, but you know that don't you?
     
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    Really?

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    This is not that complicated.


    Exactly! A living document that Ultra Liberals wish to kill. Or, abort. You decide. Kill, or abort? Wait a minute... there's no damn difference in "killing" or "aborting" the Living Document we call the United States Constitution, now is there?
     
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    So they mentioned a well regulated militia, and then changed the subject to the "tools"...that makes no sense.
     
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    Are you a member of a well regulated militia???
     
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    Yeah, you focused on one word and left out the part about a militia being regulated...and now you claim one has nothing to do with the other.

    You are the one subverting the words and the meaning.

    Right. So changing it goes along with what the framer's had in mind all along.
     
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    From what I find, we have 42.6 killed each day of the year by guns. Your odds of being killed by a gun on any given day is about one in three quarters of a million. If you lived for over 21 thousand years, chances are you will be killed by a gun.
     
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    I am so glad you fell into that logic trap. Thank you, so much. Now, learn your lesson once and for all.

    Design, has nothing to do with Purposeful Intent and can be disconnected both physically and logically from the things having been Designed. Got it? Good. Let's move on. Ergo, a thing can be Designed as a weapon and yet its intended purpose and its use can be as a thing that saves lives. Got that, too? Good. Let's move on. If the thing having been Designed for the express purpose of killing, is also the very same thing that is purposed and used to save lives, then how do you logically submit that its only use is to kill, while maintaining a straight face when you do it? Careful how you respond next. You've already fallen into one logic trap. Don't make it two.

    The Vehicle, on the other hand, universally is said to be for the express purpose of facilitating transportation. Yet, at the very same time, history shows (Paris) that the thing being Designed for an express purpose, may indeed be used and appropriated for another purpose. Got it? Good.

    Your move.
     
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    The odds of being shot are far far far greater than dying in a flood, or a fire, or an earthquake.

    So let's stop any sort of laws and regulations or safety measures in regard to those...it's a waste of money and time and trouble for something that likely won't happen (until it does).
     
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