Saudi Arabia executes 37 people, crucifying one, for terror-related crimes

The first followers of Muhammed were "The companions of Muhammed".
These are people who knew him, and wrote about him.
The problem is that these are fictitious writings from the 10th to the 12th century.
Salafists use these writings.

Whabbie and many others go back to the original writings of Muhammed.
BTW there are over 70 sects of Islam.
Terror comes from almost all groups, not just your favorite excuse, whabbies.

Some groups like Sufi, don't use the sunnah, only the Qu'ran,
so the sheep have no idea what muhammed did, other than what the clerics tell them.

But these groups are persecuted by Islam,

 

And where do you get that information.
He has some of the most documented information available.
He will also answer any questions with sources, just E-Mail him.

I suppose Robert Spencer is a nut also.

You're going to sit here and condemn his video and not even watch it,
saying "HE" has mental problems, LOL

 

This tactic is all to common.

Everybody, ( Outsider) who reads, and studies Islam, comes up with the same conclusion.
And we are getting more and more of these in the west, every day.

Then we get some bigot who never opened a book on Islam, claiming they are nuts.

 

How are you going about studying Islam?

 

They actually did. Then the Mongols came, killed all the scholars, burned all the libraries, tossed all the books in the river and imposed fundi education standards on the survivors. Islam never fully recovered.

 

Anyone looking into Islam will see that the writings change,
all the way from a few hundred years after Muhammed. to the present.
But the original writings cannot change, and they are public.

Islam cannot handle these, especially whey new writings come out,
and are preached, not even mentioning the old ones and why they contradict them.

Well, few Muslims have read the original writings,
and are unaware of them, so they will believe anything they are told.

This can be good, Islam needs to be re-written, but something has to be done about the originals.
Or you will keep getting these groups who use them.

 

My first books was The history of Al Taburi, all 40 volumes.
I got these at a used bookstore I worked at in the 70's and never read them.
I started after 9/11 and went gung ho after a friend of mine was murdered at the "Jewish Federation Center in Seattle, Google it.
Then I got several versions of accredited Qur'ans.
Then the Sirat Rasuall Allah. Islams 1st documentation,
and the only biography of Muhammed written within 200 years of his lifetime.
I built up quite a library on Islam with books from several contemporary authors.


Ironically when studying about Islam, you can seldom use Islamic sources.
The original Qur'an and sunnah are excellent sources, but virtually everything written afterwords for the general public is total bullsh-t. "Taquyyia"

 

actually they have the original books on Islam.
They don't have the original Sira, but an edited version written 60 years later.

Ironocally most of the original was destroyed because of "Matters that would distress people:"
It is one of the most vile books written and would be illegal in a pornographic movie.

Some of what was destroyed made it into Taburi, but nobody knows what.

 

I can write to one of Velikovsky's followers (he's dead now) and get reams of well researched and impeccably sourced material on how Venus spat out a nearly Earth sized companion which grazed Earth and caused the Biblical plagues (or something like that). I could, had I a Masters in astrophysics probably refute the entire thing but it's been done already, it would take a book in itself and besides, it's ****** nutbar insane. ( I know, I know they said that about Wegener but remember that Wegner WAS considered insane for thirty years until they came up with Plate Tectonics and nobody has yet figured out how planets just spit out other planets about the same size as themselves)


I watched the video once long ago and just now again. Warner's a well-informed bigot, justifying his hatred and prejudice with bogus "research". Do you believe the Bell Curve book? Warner is a good example of why you should be VERY careful if you ever speak outside of your field, ESPECIALLY if you're a smart person.
Spencer is a good example of why people with a legitimate grievance to one group or another should be viewed with some skepticism if they hold forth on that group's general history. Not dismissed utterly, but examined with care.

And neither one of them seem as condemnatory of Islam as are you

Look, you sent me to a YouTube, now I will refer a book to you. I got it from my library, yours should have it, Enjoy.

https://www.amazon.com/Islamic-Enlightenment-Struggle-Between-Reason/dp/1520074379

I'm sorry about your friend who was killed by the way.

 

I'm actually going to order that book right now, when I can sit down and do a cover to cover is unknown.

what I stress about Islam is the original writings and how they have found their way into the civilized world,
and they are not going away.
The absolute control it has on the people.
The absolute control the clerics/Imans, etc. have.

Be a good Muslim, read your Qur'an, don't make waves, or we will kill you.

 

It's ordered, will get it the 24th.
Looking forward to going through it.

Most of the books I am directed to are books I avoid, 21st century re-makes of the sunnah.
Total Bullsh-t. completely made up stories, ( excuses ) of events that happened.

I can give you an example when we have a Muslim here.

I can shoot a few questions, important ones, any Muslim should know, and he will not have a clue

 

When I get these books that start out with, Muhammed fought defensive battles,
It's an indication of total Bullsh-t.
Muhammed never killed women and children, more Bullsh-t.

He tortured and killed women, children, elderly, butchered cattle for sport.

 

I think we both can agree that there are fanatics in every religion. You can argue that there are more in Islam and that Islam encourages them more than Christianity, Maybe, I dunno. Even some muslims admit the Islam can seem feisty at times The story is that God came first to the Jews, with Justice, but Justice was too stern, he came next to the Christians, with love, but love seemed weak. So finally God was fed up and he came to the Prophet with a Sword.

In any case , the fact is that all fanatics are just bad for everyone and everything, that's indisputable.

 

I agree, there are fanatics in all religions.

Christian fanatics are annoying.

Muslim fanatics kill people.

 

Sounds like a them problem.

 

That never happened, he just made it up.

 

I guess 700 years wouldn't be enough time for them even if it did happen

 

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Probably only after his merry gang of fighters had their way with them all. (and yes, I'm including the livestock)

 

One of the things they did was cut the humps off camels.

 

The Sack of Baghdad never happened? lol It's 1 of the most influential moments in medieval history.

 

No, the destruction of the Islamic writings.
They all survived, to this day except for the original sirat rasual allah which was edited and re-written
60 years later, under different circumstances.