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No, of COURSE not, Obama doesn't support AQ in Syria, what on earth are you talking about? You answered my question but it is frankly incredible.

 

1) the Kurds were not fighting Assad ? Why are you still confused by this after it has been told to you 5 times now ?

2) Biden - NY-Times - DIA - stated there were no "Moderates" - You claim there are moderates doing the fighting but have yet to come up with one town that was taken by moderate rebels.

3) 15 Bipartisan in congress stated directly that the US has been working with other nations to provide weapons directly and indirectly Islamic Extremists - 2017 "Stop arming terrorist act" - where Al Qaeda/ISIS are mentioned directly - and you were given numerous other links.

You said that you did not think the 15 in congress were lying - which means you believe that the US was arming the extremists - so you have contradicted yourself.

Further - you agree that the CIA was involved in massive shipments of weapons - as stated the DIA and numerous other sources given you.

Where did all this weaponry go to - if there are no moderates - as stated by the DIA ?

I remember having a conversation with a religious fundamentalist - who was in such depths of self deception and denial that he actually claimed that the freezing point of water was Arbitrary.

You are not this bad - but are hitting fairly high levels of self deception and denial.

So then - Was the DIA Lying in 2012 when it told the Obama Admin there was no moderate rebels of any significance ? in cahoots with the NY-Times and Biden - to give the WH false information ?

and if you don't believe this - then what is your problem ?

 

According to the DIA - and 15 Bipartisan in congress - Obama did support AQ in Syria.

The only thing that is incredible here - is that you claim that Congress was not lying when it stated "Obama was supporting AQ in Syria" - and then turn around and claim that Obama did not support Syria.

Here is Rand Paul speaking to CNN

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2...-my-son-into-that-mess-on-the-crisis-in-iraq/

We were allied with both Al Qaeda and ISIS says Paul - was he lying .. along with the DIA who said the same thing 2 years earlier ?

 

"Of any significance", those are the keys words. So Obama and Trump supplied and built up the moderate rebels and allowed them to destroy ISIS?

Let me ask you? WHY do you think Obama and Trump would back ISIS and AQ? What would be in it for them? Obama, the guy who killed UBL and Trump who stamped all over ISIS?

 

Yes but I'm asking do you really think this was deliberate or did the terrorists steal/buy the weapons from the moderates?

 

Trump has nothing to do with this .. We are talking the period from late 2011 - when the war started .. to late 2015 - when Russia enters the war .. as it looks like Assad is going down. Get on page and quit the diversion/denial tactics.

Significance matters. You have yet to find a moderate Anti Assad fighting force that beat ISIS in any battle - never mind a significant force - one that was some presence in this time period. You have not found a moderate Anti Assad fighting force of any kind .. in what .. 20 posts now ?

We are talking 4 years of war here - battles between the Syrian Army - and rebels for the cities transportation routes and so on

You don't do that with AK -47s Obama led a large coalition of nations in a massive effort over these 4 years to arm, support, and supply these rebels. Hundreds of thousand of Tons of Sophisticated Military Hardware - They moved the left over stuff from the war in Yugoslavia - along with a bunch of new stuff produced by these Eastern European Nations .. They moved weapons in from Benghazi - hence the point of Rand Pauls question to Hillary during the hearings - "did you know" - she said No - and we now know she was lying .. as the Pentagon admitted to knowing.

Stuff was coming in from Turkey, Israel Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Qatar were big players.

There is ton's of info out there on what was moved .how much .. Some from our own DIA which has now been declassified.


"A declassified October 2012 Defense Intelligence Agency report revealed that the shipment in late August 2012 had included 500 sniper rifles, 100 RPG (rocket propelled grenade launchers) along with 300 RPG rounds and 400 howitzers. Each arms shipment encompassed as many as ten shipping containers, it reported, each of which held about 48,000 pounds of cargo. That suggests a total payload of up to 250 tons of weapons per shipment. Even if the CIA had organized only one shipment per month, the arms shipments would have totaled 2,750 tons of arms bound ultimately for Syria from October 2011 through August 2012. More likely it was a multiple of that figure". https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-america-armed-terrorists-in-syria/

Do you know what a Howitzer looks like Mate ?


400 of these things - in one shipment - going to who ? Note the size of the men relative to the size of the machine ? - Your horse - nor your pickup for that matter - is not pulling this thing.. and this thing had to cross numerous borders

Your not getting it .. Find me the moderate rebel fighting force that just this one shipment was destined to - involved in some battle won by this fictitious made up fantasy army - that you claim exists.

Find me a battle for a major city fought by "moderates" throughout this time period - where the Moderates were in control for some period of time. Find me an area that moderates were in control ..

 

"There were no Moderates" - as a significant fighting force - Late 2011 when armed insurrection began - to the time Russian entered in late 2015 - Assad on the ropes.

Find me a battle that these fictitious moderates fought where they took any major City in Syria. Find me an area they controlled ..

and 15 Bipartisan in congress have told you it was deliberate - and knowing what we know - only someone who is in complete denial - does not recognize that it was deliberate.

and it is not just these 15 .. it is the DIA .. we know Flynn was telling the WH - don't do this - the people you are supporting are Radical Islamist Jihadists.

and somehow you are not connecting that all the stuff coming in from all these other nations - was our doing.. The British were involved - as were the French ..

For the war in Iraq - there was no "Coalition of the Willing" - The war in Syria ... now there is a "Coalition of the Willing"

You still can not come to grips with "What Happened" - never mind ponder the why.

 

Here's the "what" and the "why" in one very good article:

https://clarionproject.org/checkmate-iran-and-assads-support-al-qaeda/

The claims in the article were common knowledge in the region at the time.

A search for "syria isis" on Clarion Project returned 99 pages of results. Have fun.
https://clarionproject.org/?s=syria+isis

 

LOL You found an article trying to prop up and/or apologize for the "Moderate Rebel Lie"

Unfortunately .. reality is - what reality is. Obama led a large coalition of nations who underwent a massive effort to arm, support and supply the radical Islamist Holy Jihad in Syria.

Do find a battle for a major city between your "Moderates" and the Syrian Army - from the start of the war in late 2011 - until Russia entered the war in Late 2015 -

 

Yes, I am familiar with a howitzer but more familiar with a 4.5 inch. I have several times, SDF and it's various components. Now what is REALLLY your problem? Come on, WHY do you do deny that Obama/Trump back moderate Syrian forces and that some of the weapons they supplied ended up stolen? What is you point?

 

Of course there were, dozens of countries took part in the liberation, just as dozens of countries are backing the moderate rebels trying to create a democratic Syria.

Multi-National Force – Iraq - Wikipedia

American-led intervention in the Syrian Civil War - Wikipedia

What is your point? Why do you want to deny support to the Syrian moderates? What is your vision of Syria's future?

 

It is a complete falsehood that most of the weapons that went in to the hands of the extremists came from "Moderates 2011-2015 - and you have yet to find any anti Assad Moderates. Have yet to find a single battle where moderates were fighting the Syrian Army - to prop up your moderate fairy tale .. Obamas "Moderate Rebel Lie"

Your claim that the SDF turned over weapons to Al Qaeda/ISIS - 2011-2015 (or at any time for that matter) is also a complete falsehood.

Your claim that the SDF were moderate Anti Assad forces - is a complete falsehood - one told to you 5 times now but you keep returning to your own vomit.

You are in Denial Son - Your mind can not handle the fact that your beloved Obama lied to you - and that the US was allied with Al Qaeda and ISIS during the war in Syria.

 

Why are you posting links for Iraq in a convo about Syria - are you lost ?

Then you delve into false accusations and fallacy because your brain can not handle the fact that your beloved Obama armed Al Qaeda.

I have never denied wanting to support moderates .. It is you who wants to support Islamist Extremists who are killing the moderates.

Nice try and projecting your issues onto others .. It is you who and your buddy Obama who is the enemy of the moderates in Syria.

 

Can you PLEASE explain to us all, WHY Obama would want to arm Islamic fundamentalists who hate the United States and would destroy it if they could?

Sure, the Free Syrian Army in the battle of Homs and al-Haffah.

Free Syrian Army - Wikipedia

Battle of al-Haffah - Wikipedia

 

You said there was no Coalition of the Willing in Iraq and I proved you wrong. WHY do you want to believe Obama backed ISIS? WHY would he?

 

Obama wanted a proxy army to fight against the Assad Regime - the army he chose was Al Qaeda.

LOL - you have been shown previously the the Free Syria Army made up of Al Qaeda and ISIS - You are supposed to be coming up with Moderates .. not claiming that Al Qaeda/ISIS were moderate - as per Obama's "Moderate Rebel Lie"

Hom's was under control of the Islamic State - and you have yet to come up with one city controlled by moderates.

From your favorite source -

Moderates were not in control of Homs - the Islamic State was in control - the folks who you claim are "Moderates"

 

1) no there was not in Iraq - what a joke The Brits and who else of any significance... not even Canada signed up .. Bottles of French wine were broken in the streets and the name of "French Fries" changed to "Freedom Fries" - cause no one would join are party based on lies .. sans our British Lapdog.

2) but we are not talking about Iraq .. so why are you deflecting again ..

3) I want to believe that Obama would not do such a thing .. and the US in General. The fact of the matter is that Obama led a large Coalition of nations in a massive effort to arm, support, and supply the rebels..

Asking "Why would Obama do such a thing" - is not going to change reality Not going to make the bad thoughts go away ..

You are in serious denial - Maintaining our position requires that you claim that Biden was lying about the "Moderate Rebel Lie" - along with the DIA who was telling Obama "No Moderates" .. and the NY-Times and every other journalist covering the war throughout this the 2011-2015 time period.

You have to claim that the 15 Bipartisan in congress were lying .. Senator Paul .. Senator Richard Black - just woke up in the morning and made up a story about Obama arming Al Qaeda and ISIS...

This is what you need to be asking - "Why would all these folks do this" .. you can't even bear to address this thought .. and have claimed " I don't believe they are lying" while at the same time claiming they are lying by claiming Obama did not Arm Al Qaeda in Syria.

This is not about what I think mate .. I have just presented you the evidence .. If you want to believe in some grand conspiracy where all of the above made up this grand lie .. then go ahead.

Have you found any moderates yet ?

 

No he didn't and yes I've given you plenty of examples, the FSA, the SDF, etc etc, Homs, El-Haffa. WHY do you not want to accept the US backed moderate forces seeking to replace Assad's dictatorship with a democracy? WHAT is your problem?

 

1. I just listed all those dozens of countries and all you can say is "Oh the canucks weren't there so it doesn't count?"
2. You raised the issue, I answered it.
3. Yes of course he did, he armed the rebels and inevitably some of the weapons they provided ended up in the arms of AQ/ISIS but to say he deliberately armed them is ludicrous.

You're the one who believes in the grand conspiracy, I just point out the flaws in your ludicrous argument.

 

The FSA are not Moderates - The FSA is Al Qaeda and ISIS.
The SDF were not fighting Assad - nor did the Kurds give weapons to Assad - nor did we give the Kurds sophisticated weapons 2011-2015.

You have yet to find any "moderates" .. and the anti Assad forces were trying to replace Assad's dictatorship with a Theocracy - not Democracy.

You keep making up falsehoods - while ignoring all proof to the contrary.

 

You did not dozens of countries that matter -

1)/2) your answer was laughable nonsense on steroids. The only nations of any significance were the Brit's and Australia. Every other nation of significance stood down.

3) The DIA - 15 -Bipartisan in Congress - and even Joe Biden all claimed that Obama armed Al Qaeda "Intentionally"..

You twirling round in a circle - eyes rolled back of the head and foaming at the mouth claiming "NO NO NO" does not change this reality.

Further - you have contradicted yourself as you claimed that the above were not lying when they stated Obama - with his coalition of the willing - gave massive amounts of arms, supplies and support to Al Qaeda - and later ISIS over the period 2011-2015.

The claim that this support initially went to moderates - is the "Moderate Rebel Lie" - as there was no moderates .. according to DIA, Biden, Congress - and you have stated these people were not lying. Contradicting yourself again.

 

My problem is that you are claiming that these folks - Ahrar al -Sham - are "moderates" - what a load of preposterous nonsense and apology for radical Islamist extremists.

 

You have things backward - twisted around in your mind mate - drank the Kool-aid you did .. and now you are embarrassed and in shock at the same time .. one of your "Necessary Illusion" bubbles popped.

DIA - Biden - 15 - Bipartisan in Congress - and a host of other sources I have posted state - No Moderate Rebel fighting force of any significance - that the vast and overwhelming majority of the rebel fighters were in fact Al Qaeda - and spawn - Jihadists wanting to create an Islamic State - Turn Syria in to an Islamic State.

You are in wild denial of this fact "NO NO NO" you cry - and then post a link that you think might have some moderates - in each case your hopes were dashed - as you had not found anything of the sort .. and then you realized that you had been lied to - and are having trouble processing this information.

Yes you can find a moderate fighter from time to time - described as "finding a needle in a haystack" - but, they are fighting amongst , and under the command of the Jihadists .. whom they fight side by side in battle .. so what ever we do for this moderate fellow that we manage to find - we do for Al Qaeda.

So the reality is not complicated - What was complicated was the Obama Admin trying to cover its tracks .. maintain the "Moderate Rebel Lie"

Robert has yet to find a single city taken by the moderate anti Assad Forces - but, I have found some moderates for you .. or at least that is what the State Department calls them.

Let me introduce you to Ahrar Al -Sham - watch the State Dept - Desperate to avoid the question by talking about the cessation of hostilities - trying defend the claim that Ahrar Al -Sham are Moderates..



Is this the best you can come up with - (well- I came up with it for you cause you couldn't find any moderates)

Everybody in the Room speaking knew who Ahrar Al Sham was - and so did the State Dept. They are Salafi Islamist Jihadists - one and the same - and hand in hand - intermingled with - Al Nusra (Al Qaeda in Syria)

Don't you love it when the State Dept. lies their faces off .. not like it is rare - its their job after all - to defend what ever comes their way - the best they can.

Obama's Position on Ahrar Al Sham the "Moderate Rebel Lie" .. is repeated by the State Dept.

 

The customers will dry up long before the oil.

 

The FSA and SDF are not AQ/ISIS, they are moderates and seek a secular, democratic Syria, we supplied weapons to these moderates some of which ended up in the hands of the extremists. WHY do you want to pick fault with the anti-Assad rebels? What would make you happy?