Saudi Crown Prince Says Iran's Leader Is 'the New Hitler' of the Middle East.....

Once again this opinion if want to call it that is not disputing the veracity of the article or it's author ( a Muslim himself and respected US diplomat under multiple presidents mind you) in a known leftist leaning respected news organization...... What are we left with folks? A deranged opinion by a KSA propagandist who now claims to have personally known multiple members of the royal family of Saud.

This article that no propaandist of KSA can dispute

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/saudi-arabia-terrorism-funding-214241

Let's take a look at the articles author shall we?

Zalmay Mamozy Khalilzad (Pashto: زلمی خلیلزاد Zalmay Khalīlzād; born March 22, 1951) is a former American diplomat and a counselor at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) and president of Gryphon Partners and Khalilzad Associates, an international business consulting firm based in Washington, D.C. He was the United States Ambassador to the United Nations under President George W. Bush. He has been involved with U.S. policy makers at the White House, State Department and Pentagon since the mid-1980s, and was the highest-ranking Muslim American in the Administration of U.S. President George W. Bush.[1] Khalilzad's previous assignments in the Administration include U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan and U.S. Ambassador to Iraq. In 2017, he was considered for U.S. Secretary of State under the Presidency of Donald Trump.[2]

So we have on one hand this completely credible man who was able to actually get KSA to tell the truth for once in their miserable existence and admit to direct duplicity in the bombing on 9/11

And on the other hand the quoted opinion above who now claims to have known the Royal family of Saud intimately and according to them has lived in multiple countries of the ME for more decades if add them all up would tally more than the age of Methusaleh.

The quoted opinion is so deranged and corrupt that it can't even keep its facts straight for one thread let alone the dozens of other threads where it outright lies. Gets debunked and then keeps coming back for more. Over and over.

I guess I'm done here unless they quote me again and respond with more lols and deflections. Any thread anytime that is pro KSA or any comment suggesting they are anything but lying scum? Out comes this current article of less than a year.

You troll opinions and academic wanna be historians can babble all day nonsense THAT article finishes KSA forever to any American opinion that's not an idiot

Boring.

Down with KSA.

 

How much do the

And yet we have great influence over smaller nations. And it is not always in the interests of those nations. Quite the contrary. And so, we spend a trillion a year with our war dept., and as you said, part of that is to keep china and russia from emulating us. lol Quite ironic, no?

The citizens have no choice her in foreign policy. Not when the game is rigged to insure only those who support our foreign policy get elected. And if you run against our foreign policy, as trump did, well, we see what happened to trump, right? And citizens voted for him in part because of his positions, while campaigning. But he got his arse reigned in, and we saw some of this happen, but there was more behind the scenes. And so we saw how an entrenched foreign policy protects itself. And to hell with what the People want.

Would the world be consumed by evil dictators if the US stopped meddling around the world? Would russia suddenly pull another Hitler? But what might happen is that our elites would not get to suck the wealth out of other nations, backed up by our gov't, including the CIA and our military. For, we must protect the assets of a tiny group of people and insure they get future access. And if you do not behave, we will wage economic war against you, and if that does not work, we just might invade. Is this the way this world must operate? That if we did not do it, someone else would? Well, I doubt we will ever find out, at least in our own lives. And yet, we would never tolerate another nation, say china, or russia, to behave as we have behaved. I guess if other people are to get fu*ked, it must be america doing the humping, for we will not tolerate anyone taking our place.

Is it just impossible to have a moral, intelligent, sane foreign policy? Or is it, that such foreign policy does not enrich our elites properly? Should we follow the money to arrive at the logical conclusion?

 

Ha ha ha.

For it to be a "conspiracy", it's got to be secretive; It isn't - it's done in the open. Why being secretive when people refuse to acknowledge your existance in the first place?

Add this one to the pile of things you don't want to know about (beats up your puny links, too):

http://mearsheimer.uchicago.edu/pdfs/IsraelLobby.pdf

 

Of course I know them.. That's not unusual for American ex-pats in the kingdom.

I was in KSA nearly two decades. I didn't live in Libya or Kuwait very long at all...

Who exactly said this?

On my most recent trip to Saudi Arabia, I was greeted with a startling confession. In the past, when we raised the issue of funding Islamic extremists with the Saudis, all we got were denials.

This time, in the course of meetings with King Salman, Crown Prince Nayef, Deputy Crown Mohammad Bin Salman and several ministers, one top Saudi official admitted to me, “We misled you.” He explained that Saudi support for Islamic extremism started in the early 1960s as a counter to Nasserism—the socialist political ideology that came out of the thinking of Egypt’s Gamal Abdel Nasser—which threatened Saudi Arabia and led to war between the two countries along the Yemen border.

This tactic allowed them to successfully contain Nasserism, and the Saudis concluded that Islamism could be a powerful tool with broader utility.

Under their new and unprecedented policy of honesty, the Saudi leadership also explained to me that their support for extremism was a way of resisting the Soviet Union, often in cooperation with the United States, in places like Afghanistan in the 1980s.

In this application too, they argued, it proved successful. Later it was deployed against Iranian-supported Shiite movements in the geopolitical competition between the two countries.

 

You should have checked out what the leftist site Reddit had on your theory.

Being a Lobbyist.....was never in dispute. Just one of many.

 

**** Reddit. They're laughingly small fry. Read the report (which you couldn't have the time to do, between your two last posts).

About "leftist" sites: Did you knew that US Jews are overwhelmingly leaning left? You can't see the forest for the trees.

 

While at RAND, Khalilzad also had a brief stint consulting for Cambridge Energy Research Associates, which at the time was conducting a risk analysis for Unocal, now part of Chevron, for a proposed 1,400 km (890 mile), $2-billion, 622 m³/s (22,000 ft³/s) Trans-Afghanistan gas pipeline project which would have extended from Turkmenistan to Afghanistan and further proceeding to Pakistan.

Khalilzad was a signatory of the letter from members of the Project for the New American Century to President Bill Clinton sent on January 26, 1998, which called for him to accept the aim of "removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power" using "a full complement of diplomatic, political and military efforts."

He's Afghani.. That's why he lied.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zalmay_Khalilzad

 

So? What? Anyone that reads the article can literally hear KSA whining that their extremist rabid dog got off the leash and bombed us on 9/11. America. Wait Oh now it'
the Russians fault KSA funded nurtured and created modern day violent Islamists? And admit it? 9/11? Their head choppers did it. Admitted by them.

Fk KSA

Oh and heres the cute part. It's never stopped. Syria? Wreckage of a country? Moderate Muslims and Christians head chopped and blown up by the US and Saudis did via Saudi funded Islamists head choppers via the excuse of invading after the Arab Spring. Can't say KSA doesn't
do that because they admit it in the article.

**** of the world KSA. Blow them up Iran. I say that not because Irans leadership are saints no they are godawful but I believe more easily dealt with than the family of Saud and its entrenched family of some God knows over 1000 persons indirectly.

And why do we the US allow it? Not sure why KSA thinks as quoted in the article that the US would desert them due to their duplicity in the bombing of 9/11 when a few thousand Americans dying means nothing to our politicians as long as KSA keeps writing those fat checks.

That's my America. Pimped out and it's citizens murdered, boys fighting and dying in wars we shouldn't be in so establishment politicians across party lines can sleep in beds of disgusting KSA ultra conservative head chopper Muslim money.

Can't even be disputed

America = FOR SALE

Hell I am for sale too . This is my Gmail and also my PayPal so give that to your KSA handler and I'll stop trashing them on about seven different political and news forums. Scouts honor. Need to see some zeroes tho chump opinion

Might as well sell out my government has for decades.

Jdwilson081@gmail.com

 

He's lying... and what is very surprising is that he is completely WRONG about the Saudis fighting in Yemen in the 1960s. How could he make such a mistake?

This may be the answer:

Abrams, Elliott; Armitage, Richard L.; Bennett, William J.; Bergner, Jeffrey; Bolton, John; Dobriansky, Paula; Fukuyama, Francis; Kagan, Robert; Khalilzad, Zalmay; Kristol, William; Perle, Richard; Rodman, Peter W.; Rumsfeld, Donald; Schneider, William, Jr.; Weber, Vin; Wolfowitz, Paul; Woolsey, R. James; Zoellick, Robert B. (26 January 199. "PNAC letters sent to President Bill Clinton". www.informationclearinghouse.info.

 

He's lying... and what is very surprising is that he is completely WRONG about the Saudis fighting in Yemen in the 1960s. How could he make such a mistake?

This may be the answer:

Abrams, Elliott; Armitage, Richard L.; Bennett, William J.; Bergner, Jeffrey; Bolton, John; Dobriansky, Paula; Fukuyama, Francis; Kagan, Robert; Khalilzad, Zalmay; Kristol, William; Perle, Richard; Rodman, Peter W.; Rumsfeld, Donald; Schneider, William, Jr.; Weber, Vin; Wolfowitz, Paul; Woolsey, R. James; Zoellick, Robert B. (26 January 199. "PNAC letters sent to President Bill Clinton". www.informationclearinghouse.info.

 

No sir he is not lying and quote all the BS you want from 50 years ago. You might get these historians to nibble KSA propagandist opinion but not me. He is their FRIEND, and is a world renowned and respected diplomat. Your opinion is just propaganda. Why havnt you trashed my source yet? Can't its leftist and KSA and Muslim extremist lover opinions like yours need lefties on your side against Iran like in this thread... It' POLITICO haha. Lefties.

Stupid lefties opinions here on this forum swallow your swill but not me. That's how pathetic leftism is. Supporting the very thing they are supposed to be against.

Go IRAN, declare war on KSA, Saudi military is ****. Can't even deal w Yemen. I'd wager with Russian support and threatening Iran could head chop the entire house of Saudi before we could stop Iran. Think of it like Syria.

I love the idea.

 

He's lying......... and there are plenty of indications why.

Saudi Arabia is nothing like Syria..

 

Wait a minute shhh hmm? Oh no your right KSA is much worse than Syria and Assad. Theyre so arrogant they admit ( you quoted them admitting it from my article) to breeding AlQaida and Bin Laden and all the KSA terrorists on the planes who did 9/11. So they are worse.

Hang on. I had an epiphany. If we seize all of the KSA money and investments in the US. Why not? They gonna sue us? Then IRAN who has a very strong military invades KSA.... We act like we are helping but it's " complicated" due to the Russian bear... Then Iranian head choppers take care of the House of Saud.... Then a year later we take out Iran's crazy leadership.....

We get all the money. Most all of the world' k funders of terrorism is gone.. Israel is happy and America wins. Jimmy's opinion is happy since Iran leadership gets whacked.

I absolutely love it.

Don't say it's crazy we've done the same in Libya and Syria recently.

And America gets paid. And less terrorists in the world.

With the exception of Qatar who really only meddle... Right there I set back if not eradicated Islamist terrorism by decades. Instead of feeding it like we currently are.

Its.. Brilliant. And doable

 

And we seize the money of KSA and let Iran declare war on KSA due to irrefutable evidence of them causing irreparable harm from 9/11. They admit it in this article. That's our excuse. A legitimate one

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/saudi-arabia-terrorism-funding-214241

 

Do you know anything about TAPI or Bridas or ENRON? If you did, you'd understand why Khalilzad is lying.

The agreement was signed in mid December 2002.

9-11 was meant to have a Saudi face. That's what OBL wanted.

Read your article again.. Notice how he skirts the issue... He doesn't identify WHO made such claims.

 

Look your like a broken record. I myself and readers have the choice of believing the highest ranking Muslim to ever hold office in the United States government or your opinion which and someone tell me I'm lying.. Your KSA propaganda opinion gets debunked and proven to be false thread after thread month after month.

So your opinion is has no credibility you see? Been proven.

Hang on. We've seen recently how US mechanisms work in setting up proxy wars in the ME or in Libyas case just so Hillary can take selfies with head choppers... Syria also..

It's time we cut KSA loose and let Iran have them. It's a tad bit machivellian but US politicians are for sale. Why not go for the big one? We can reset the board, take all of KSAs money ( trillions?) and investments in the US... Lefties will love it Trump loses a hotel and golf course... Then we take care of Iran' leadership like we have before.

We've been doing it all half arsed. I don't see any negatives at all. I know I've left out some details but as a concept I don' s a flaw? Syria and Libya were both fundamentally flawed and we did those humanitarian nightmares.

Don't say I'm crazy. Im perfectly calm. The United States does these things, but because our deep state is stupid and petty we made mistakes.

This is doable

 

You just don't know anything about the ME... or North Africa or Afghanistan or the Levant.

Khalilzad lied.....

Afghanistan was about TAPI and ENRON and Dabhol.

 

Can you explain to me in a way that is comprehensible why you are so interested in carrying a brief for Wahhabi Arabia? Sure, I understand from your comments, that you lived there for a while and rubbed shoulders with some of the house of Saud clan. But unless you are somehow beholden to them, I still don't get the intense desire and even obsession to deflect any criticism and blame on these Wahhabis and the refusal to even admit the obvious. I list below some of the obvious that you seem unable to admit, but would appreciate you responding on the question I ask above and not focus so much writing back your stories about the points I mention below. (Or, at least, separate the response to the above from any response to the below comments).
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For instance, in the past, you tried to deny the Saudi obsession with Iran and attempts to draw the US into war and conflict with Iran. Even the Saudis do not really dispute the plethora of reports, including confirmation by John Kerry that the Saudis long with the Israelis, were pushing the US to wage war on Iran. And the Saudi obsession with Iran is the title of a hundred articles and proven by tens of thousands of Saudi diplomatic cables released by Wikileaks showing them following every minutiae of every move by almost any type of governmental and non-governmental group associated with Iran and how they were interfering at all levels all across the globe throwing money and putting pressure to see academics, journalists and other figures who were remotely fair to Iran be ousted from their positions.

Similarly, you have tried to pretend that socio-economic issues that exist in practically every country, especially in the region, are somehow what caused the Syrian bloodbath when the evidence that the whole thing was orchestrated carefully between the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia, along with Turkey and Qatar at the time as allies in this endeavor, is indisputable. Sure, Turkey (with Qatar aligning itself with the Turks to keep some autonomy and independence from Saudi dictates) had their own ambitions and groups which they supported, while the Saudis had others they supported (the so-called "Army of Islam" was the group the Saudis mostly funded). And clearly, and undeniably, the main focus and aim of Wahhabi Arabia was to dislodge Assad because of his relationship with Iran. Indeed, that is pretty much admitted by the Saudis and attested by Assad and by US diplomats and other figures who all have confirmed that throughout Assad was often given the choice to sever his ties to Iran/Hezbollah to avoid the issues he has faced.

A similar things exists with Iraq. Until recently, when the US seems to have convinced the Saudis that they might be able to work with certain figures in Iraq and have pushed the Saudis to try to counter Iran in that manner, the entire focus of Saudi policies was to undermine the (shia) Iraqi government and fund all sorts of figures, groups and parties that worked on that front. Many of these ISIS figures and fighters are, in fact, ex-Baathists as well as sunni extremists who had agreed to splinter from AQ during the so-called "surge" in return for being handsomely paid by the US and Saudi Arabia. The core of ISIS in fact is drawn from these type of figures, including folks who were part of the "Sons of Iraq", with addition of the ex Syrian officers and the motley crew of jihadists, adventurers and mercenaries who had poured into Syria to fight Assad in a venture that is being handsomely financed by the Saudis (among others, including Qatar).

As for Yemen, every person who knows anything about that conflict knows that (a) the Houthis and their allies, former Yemen president Saleh, were engaged in a power struggle and civil war against the Hadi regime backed by the Saudis and that fight had little to do with Iran in its inception (b) the Hadi regime is implicitly and explicitly allied to AQ in Yemen, who fought alongside the Hadi regime forces against the Houthis and their allies. Of course, like any other nation, Iran might decide it prefers one group over the other or find one group to be friendlier towards it than another group. But Iran's actual involvement in what was going in Yemen was at most on the margins. Unlike Hezbollah in Lebanon, which Iran is openly and directly allied to and supports, the Houthis were not an Iranian proxy. Of course, the Saudis do have a penchant of making even states which were fighting the opposite side of Iran in some conflicts (e.g., Qatar) to find themselves pushed to become closer to Iran, but ultimately Saudi policy on Yemen has also been colored by the same unreal obsession with Iran and following a course that no one can really understand!

I can mention the same in Lebanon, where hundreds of millions of dollars of Saudi funding for groups whose main task was to voice opposition to Iran and Hezbollah metamorphosed itself into the bizzare spectacle that even a Saudi stooge like Hariri needed to be basically held captive and forced to read out his "resignation" because he wasn't willing to go full crazy and commit suicide and plunge his nation into civil war by following the ridiculous Saudi positions being dictated to him!

 

The Saudis have invested billions in repairing Lebanon.. Hariri is back in Lebanon after a short trip to France.

I know the Saudis .. and what they have accomplished.

Do you approve of your government?

 

The Saudis have invested billions in repairing Lebanon.. Hariri is back in Lebanon after a short trip to France.

I know the Saudis .. and what they have accomplished.

Do you approve of your government?

 

Do you ever respond to the point or question you are asked, or just like to repeat the same things?

 

Iran is a big, beautiful country with a rich history and plenty of oil and gas. Why don't you tend your own affairs and leave the Saudis alone?

 

Iran is a big, beautiful country with a rich history and plenty of oil and gas. Why don't you tend your own affairs and leave the Saudis alone?

 

Iran is a big, beautiful country with a rich history and plenty of oil and gas. Why don't you tend your own affairs and leave the Saudis alone?

 

I agree with the first part of your statement: Iran is indeed a rather big country, with plenty of beautiful places (in terms of natural scenery as well as historic and modern architecture), indeed with a very rich history, and plenty of oil and gas. But Iran's most valuable resource is its people. I gather from your comments and messages that you have not visited Iran in a long time. Iran has changed tremendously and is nothing like the country that you might have seen before. In many ways, the change is counter intuitive and in the opposite direction of the stereotypes and propaganda about the country. Even Iranians, such as myself, you left Iran in the wake of the revolution and the political turmoil of the time, are shocked by how much the country has changed in the interim in the opposite of what many would expect. I know you have visited Iran in the past, but I encourage you to visit Iran now. You will be amazed and surprised.