Saudi Officials Supported 9/11 Terrorists

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  1. Margot2

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    Yes, I know her personally .. and I have no doubt she was very upset.

    Thousands of Saudi students have been educated in the US since 1952 and they are always supported by benefactors in Arabia. Bayoumi's wife was being treated for breast cancer and he had five children.
     
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    Alright, I will assume for now that you do indeed know her personally. Perhaps you could ask her what happened after "she asked that all checks drawn against her bank account with the Riggs Bank in Washington DC since 1994 be examined." Did she discover anything worthy of note?

    Could you cite a source stating that Bayoumi’s wife (aka Manal Bajadr) was treated for breast cancer? All I saw involving Breast Cancer in Princess Haifa's wikipedia article is that "Haifa is chairperson of Zahra Breast Cancer Association[12]" The only person mentioned in Haifa’s article who allegedly got treated using the money in Haifa’s bank account for something was not Manal Bajadr, but her friend, Majeda Dweikat, Osama Basnan's wife, and it was for thyroid surgery, not breast cancer:
    "In April 1998, Osama Basnan, a Saudi national living in California, wrote to Haifa requesting money for his wife's needed thyroid surgery. Haifa sent Basnan $15,000, although his wife, Majeda Dweikat, was not actually treated for another two years."

    I did a bit more digging, and came up with the following passage from the History Commons Project:
    **Osama Basnan, a Saudi living in California, claims to write a letter to Saudi Arabian Prince Bandar bin Sultan and his wife, Princess Haifa bint Faisal, asking for financial help because his wife needs thyroid surgery. The Saudi embassy sends Basnan $15,000 and pays the surgical bill. However, according to University of California at San Diego hospital records, Basnan’s wife, Majeda Dweikat, is not treated until April 2000. [LOS ANGELES TIMES, 11/24/2002] Basnan will later come under investigation for possibly using some of this money to support two of the 9/11 hijackers who arrive in San Diego (see November 22, 2002), although the 9/11 Commission will conclude that evidence does not support these charges. [9/11 COMMISSION, 6/16/2004]**

    This was from the History Commons profile of Majeda Dweikat. For anyone interested in reading a little more on Majeda Dweikat and Manal Bajadr and their apparent friendship, you can look at their profiles at the History Commons Project:

    Manal Bajadr (aka Al-Badoumi's wife)| History Commons

    Majeda Dweikat (aka Osama Basnan's wife)| History Commons

    There is no mention of Al Bayoumi’s wife (aka Manal Bajadr) being treated for breast cancer.

    Finally, I'd like to point out that I think that I certainly think it's possible that Haifa knew nothing of the upcoming attacks. I am more skeptical that her husband didn't, however. His History Commons Profile can be seen here:
    http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=bandar_bin_sultan
     
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    How could Bush control a congressional report?

    If he controlled it, why hasn't Obama simply reversed and made it all available?

    For you to blame Bush really took gall.

    A lot of this is based on these truths.
    OBL was a Saudi
    The attackers were I believe either all Saudis or most were.
    Anyway, all of them were Arabs.

    OBL would naturally have a trust for his fellow Saudis over others in AQ.

    If you want a mystery, why was the body of OBL hidden from public view by dumping said body, Obama claims, off a ship?

    Why hide the photos of the target of the seals? Obama has plenty of explaining to do.
     
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    Could you clarify what you believe Margot is blaming Bush about?

    True.

    According to the official story, 15 of the 19 alleged hijackers were Saudi:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks

    According to the official story, yes.

    That's not a given, but it does sound reasonable. Personally, I don't believe Osama was involved in 9/11 at all, but the subject in the above quote is who Osama trusted, not whether he was involved in the 9/11 attacks.

    Simple enough: he died years before his "official" death, and keeping the body of the person who was killed so that he could be properly identified would have given it away. There's a lot of evidence to support this assertion:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy...line_osama_bin_laden_died_on_december_14_2001
     
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    Margot2 claims it was Bush that refused to allow the congressional report containing 28 pages to not be released.

    That of course can't be true since congress issues what it pleases to issue.

    As to your claim that Obama did not kill Obama perhaps means Bush had killed him previously.
     
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    Ah, I see. I haven't investigated this, so I remain open either way right now.

    If Bush had killed him directly, I imagine he would have mentioned it; it certainly helped Obama's ratings. The reddit article I have mentioned previously makes a compelling case that he died due to illness, or an "untreated lung complication", to be precise. The redditt article cites articles from various mainstream publications, including the New York Times, the Chicago Tribune and Fox News. I'm not usually a fan of Fox News, but in truth, they were only rebroadcasting what the Pakistani Observer had already reported.

    For those in the audience who haven't yet taken a look, the reddit article can be found here:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy...line_osama_bin_laden_died_on_december_14_2001

    That being said, I'd like to say that while I don't believe Osama was killed on Obama's watch, I'm not sure he's actually aware of this. Perhaps he was fooled along with most Americans into believing this official story.
     
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    Obama mentioned he killed him. But you claim Obama lied. Obama claims he knows all of this.
     
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    I didn't actually claim that Obama lied, though I admit it's a possibility. I completely agree that Obama has claimed that he got Bin Laden. However, I don't believe that Osama actually died on Obama's watch. This leaves 2 possibilities:
    1- He lied
    2- He -believes- that he got Osama, but was in fact fooled into believing this by others.
     
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    Knowledgeable observers said the fact that al Thumairy was allowed to leave the country indicates there was no direct evidence linking him to extremists. "If he were a terrorist and we thought he would do harm, we wouldn't have deported him," said one Justice Department official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

    Saudi consular officials from Los Angeles tried to reach al Thumairy -- one attempted to deliver a prayer rug while he was at the airport, an official said -- but were unable to speak with him.

    Officials of the Saudi Consulate in Los Angeles and the Saudi Embassy in Washington declined to comment on the matter.

    Al Thumairy is a religious expert whose scholarship on Islam has earned him the title shaikh -- roughly, "learned one" -- even though he is only 31. Officials at the King Fahd Mosque described him as an extremely spiritual, beloved and nonviolent man whose sermons and conversation never veered to the political. They said he explicitly condemned terrorism and the attacks of Sept. 11.

    "Shaikh Fahad was a very religious person -- he never dealt with politics, in his public comments or in private gatherings," said Tajuddin Shuaib, a native of Ghana who directs the mosque, which is run by a nonprofit group. "Like the rest of us, he was really shocked about Sept. 11. He felt it was wrong and, in the long term, that it would harm Muslims. His impression was that it would have some bad repercussions."

    http://articles.latimes.com/2003/may/10/local/me-deport10

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    OBL never had kidney disease.. That was all gossip..
     
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    I think he told the truth based on Seal reports. But he sure went about it strangely.

    Bush of course did not care to invade sovereign space of Pakistan.

    Obama illegally did so.
     
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    I suspect this is in response to something. Care to elaborate?
     
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    Gossip according to whom? A lot of mainstream publications took it quite seriously, as can be seen from the reddit article that I've mentioned previously:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy...line_osama_bin_laden_died_on_december_14_2001
     
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    A seal team is NOT an invasion............ Histrionics are not the mark of an adult.
     
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    Twerps who couldn't find KSA on a map.. The kingdom has always expedited Americans leaving in an emergency .. my mother among many others.. and they will deport a ne'er do well in 3 hours.
     
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    I can certainly believe that he told what he believed to be true, and that what he came to believe was true was based on Seal reports. Could you elaborate on what you mean regarding Obama going about it strangely?

    Wikipedia disagrees:
    **An unnamed senior Pentagon official told the BBC that at some point between 12 July and 12 September 2008, President Bush issued a classified order authorizing raids against militants in Pakistan. Pakistan said it would not allow foreign forces onto its territory and that it would vigorously protect its sovereignty.[153] In September, the Pakistan military stated that it had issued orders to "open fire" on U.S. soldiers who crossed the border in pursuit of militant forces.[154]

    On 25 September 2008, Pakistani troops fired on ISAF helicopters. This caused confusion and anger in the Pentagon, which asked for a full explanation into the incident and denied that U.S. helicopters were in Pakistani airspace.

    A further split occurred when U.S. troops apparently landed on Pakistani soil to carry out an operation against militants in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Province. 'Pakistan reacted angrily to the action, saying 20 innocent villagers had been killed by US troops'.[155] However, despite tensions, the U.S. increased the use of remotely piloted drone aircraft in Pakistan's border regions, in particular the Federally Administered Tribal Regions (FATA) and Balochistan; as of early 2009, drone attacks were up 183% since 2006.[156]
    **

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001–14)#Issues_with_Pakistan
     
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    Good point. Assuming that the U.S. really didn't get permission from Pakistan to enter its airspace with its Seal Team (I know that is the official story), I think it would make more sense to call it a violation of Pakistani airspace.
     
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    Don't fret about it.. The Pakistanis seem to get it.. or is it you objective to trash the President?
     
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    What does expediting Americans leaving in an emergency or deporting "ne'er do well"s in 3 hours have to do with this? And who, precisely, are you calling "Twerps"? The reddit community, mainstream publications, or both? Regardless, I would like to know if you have atleast clicked on the reddit link and taken a look at the evidence gathered there that Osama bin Laden did, in fact, have Kidney Disease.

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    My objective is and always has been to get to the truth of the matter.
     
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    As dumb as Dubya is.. he knew that the Saudis who needed to leave were not terrorists..

    There is zero evidence that OBL had kidney disease.. just BS speculation and gossip.
     
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    Strangely as in the body. The lack of photos. The way he alleges he disposed of the body. Very strange indeed.

    I looked at your Wikipedia yet saw no invasion. The Pentagon denied that our helicopters went into Pakistan. Do we trust our guys or Pakistans?
     
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    Democrats blast Bush as dumb yet claim Obama is smart.

    I dunno, Bush was decisive, took some chances, did not mess around for 7 years to decide to kill a pipeline needed by the US. Bush met with the brains from Stanford university prior to his 2008 election and they claimed his demeanor may not look smart, but in real life he is flat out very intelligent. I take their word over those who don't actually know Bush nor met the man.
     
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    Ah, I see what you're getting at now. First of all, what evidence do you have that George Bush Jr. was the one who made the call to whisk away a plane full of Bin Laden's relatives shortly after 9/11? Second of all, what evidence do you have that none of these relatives had anything to do with 9/11? For those who are unfamiliar with this event, please take a look at the following article:
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bin-laden-family-evacuated/

    Did you actually look at the reddit article or were you too busy typing "there is zero evidence..."?
     
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    What makes you think that Obama is the one who was orchestrating this? Yes, Obama is "Commander in Chief", but that doesn't mean he micromanages everything. He simply doesn't have the time. As mentioned before, I can easily imagine that, just like the American public, he was fooled into believing a false narrative.

    First of all, I'd like to point out that I, atleast, am not American. So, atleast from my perspective, it'd be what the American military says vs. what has been reported by multiple independent sources. I found another article in wikipedia that discusses the U.S.'s air strikes on Pakistan in more detail:

    **Since the beginning of the war on terror in 2001 and the subsequent U.S. invasion of Afghanistan to oust the Taliban and al-Qaeda movement, the U.S. has launched several air strikes across into northwest Pakistan to target militants connected with the Afghanistan war who it alleges have fled the country and sought temporary shelter in Pakistan's bordering tribal areas. These strikes have been protested by Pakistan, as a violation of national sovereignty, and have resulted in tense diplomatic relations between the two countries. They have also caused an uproar among Pakistan's civilian population and politicians and have fueled anti-American sentiments. Since June 2004,[1] the United States military has launched dozens of unmanned aerial vehicle strikes against presumed Taliban targets, killing hundreds[1] of militants and civilians.[2] These drone strikes have been subject to heavy criticism from Pakistan, which maintains that they are not the best way to fight terror and that they will have the inevitable result of uniting the tribesmen along the border with Taliban and against the U.S. Pakistan has previously coordinated with the U.S. on missile strikes but the U.S. has since conducted strikes without informing Pakistani authorities.[3] Pakistani troops were then ordered to counteract. Several specific actions developed, although no serious diplomatic spats on either side have been reported yet. The actions are listed below.

    Incidents
    Gora Prai incident

    Main article: Gora Prai airstrike
    On 10 June 2008, 10 Pakistani paramilitary troops from the Frontier Corps and a Pakistan Army major, were killed by a US airstrike in Pakistani tribal areas. The airstrike occurred following clashes between Taliban fighters and Afghan Troops. Afghan Troops ordered airstrike against Taliban which according to the US accidentally hit Pakistani post. [4]

    Standoff of September 15, 2008
    CH-47 Chinook helicopters have been used to Pakistan army since 1998 troops up to and across the border between Afghanistan and South Waziristan
    Pakistani troops fired warning shots into the air to deter Afghan troops from entering Pakistan. It occurred on the Afghan side of the Afghanistan-Pakistan border close to Angoor Ada, some 30 kilometers from Wana, the main town in South Waziristan in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas of Pakistan.

    Seven US helicopter gunships and two troop-carrying Chinook helicopters landed on the Afghan side of the border, in the Afghan province of Paktika, where US troops then tried to cross the border into Pakistan. As they did so, Pakistani paramilitary soldiers at a checkpoint began firing warning shots into the air and the US troops decided not to continue forward. The firing reportedly lasted for several hours. Local tribesmen also evacuated their homes and took up defensive positions in the mountains after placing women and children out of harm's way.[5]

    The standoff occurred less than two weeks after the 3 September 2008 Angoor Ada raid, during which U.S. Special Forces conducted a raid inside Pakistani territory. That incident caused much consternation and protests in Pakistan, with claims of Pakistan's sovereignty being violated.

    Lowara Mandi incident
    Two AH-64 Apache helicopters were intercepted over Pakistani territory
    On 21 September 2008 at 10 pm local time, in the Ghulam Khan district of North Waziristan Pakistani soldiers fired on two American helicopter gunships that entered Pakistani airspace with 12.7 mm heavy machine guns. The helicopters stopped and hovered for a while, before returning over the border to Afghanistan without retaliation. It is unknown if any of the helicopters sustained any damage in this first incident.[6][7]

    Thirty minutes later, two gunships attempted to cross the border again at the same place. Pakistani regular and Frontier Corps troops fired warning shots into the air and away from the helicopters, causing the helicopters to turn back without attacking any targets in Pakistan.[8]

    Tanai incident
    On 25 September 2008 Pakistani troops fired on two American OH-58 Kiowa reconnaissance helicopters. U.S. ground troops who the helicopters were supporting returned fire. No one was injured on either side and the helicopters were undamaged. American and NATO officials asserted that the helicopters were flying within Afghan territory to protect an armed patrol. Pakistani officials declared that the helicopters were inside Pakistani territory and were fired upon by "flares" as a warning.[9]
    **

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan–United_States_skirmishes

    There are more incidents, but they are after Obama has become President, so I won't include them, because the topic here is whether or not Bush violated Pakistani airspace, not Obama.

    Another aspect of this: as early as March, 2008, the U.S. began to attack not just "suspected militants", but those who attempted to treat those wounded from the attacks:
    https://www.thebureauinvestigates.c...stan-include-targeting-rescuers-and-funerals/

    To be fair, this continued during Obama's tenure...
     
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    Can you believe that Bush was fooled into a false narrative as to WMD? By George Tenet?

    Can you explain why an airstrike = an invasion?
    Can you explain how Bush could have defeated Afghanistan with a mere 900 of our men there, including spotters for air strikes as well as the CIA?

    I can.

    Why was Obama orchestrating this killing of Osama?

    I hope the video helps you understand.

    [video=youtube;ogUDnIuvZdQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogUDnIuvZdQ[/video]
     
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    I can certainly believe that Bush Jr. was fooled concerning a great many things. I don't think Tenet is the one who fooled Bush though, though I know that some conservatives like to think this was the case. Personally, I think Bush listened an awful lot to Cheney, as exemplified by the unprecendented amount of power that Cheney had. As to Cheney, I think he twisted evidence until it fit what he wanted to believe. I'm not saying he did it intentionally, but intentional or not, the results led to the same false narrative regarding Iraq's alleged WMD. Have you heard of a certain former undercover CIA operative named Valerie Plame? She wrote a book I read not too long ago called "Fair Game" which I found to be quite good. Here's wikipedia's synopsis of the book:
    **Fair Game: My Life as a Spy, My Betrayal by the White House (New York: Simon & Schuster, 2007) is a memoir by Valerie Plame Wilson. Mrs. Wilson is the former covert CIA officer whose then-classified non-official cover (NOC) identity as "Valerie Plame" was leaked to the press in July 2003, after her husband, former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, IV, had criticized the George W. Bush administration's rationale for the Iraq War. The outing made her the center of the American political scandal known as the Plame affair. Her public outing led to her decision to resign from the CIA in December 2005, when she attempted to retire early at the age of 42. Being told that she could not collect her pension until the age of 56, she determined to write this book both as a means of telling her own story in her own words and as a means of earning income to replace her deferred retirement annuity. She encountered resistance from the CIA in the course of chronicling her work with the organization.[1][2][3][4]

    As Janet Maslin writes in her New York Times review on the day of publication, "the story of how her career was derailed and her C.I.A. cover blown ... has its combative side. But the real proof of Ms. Wilson’s fighting spirit is the form in which her version of events has been brought into the light of day."
    **

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game:_My_Life_as_a_Spy,_My_Betrayal_by_the_White_House

    Margot was recently chastising you about your doing so regarding Obama's killing of someone he claims was Osama bin Laden and I agreed with her that it wasn't, in fact, an invasion, so I can't see how you'd come to the conclusion that I would consider an airstrike an invasion. That being said, the multiple airstrikes that the U.S. has made on Pakistan have certainly taken their toll. From yet another wikipedia article:

    **Since 2004, the United States government has attacked thousands of targets in Northwest Pakistan using unmanned aerial vehicles (drones) controlled by the Central Intelligence Agency's Special Activities Division.[12] Most of these attacks are on targets in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas along the Afghan border in Northwest Pakistan.

    These strikes began during the administration of United States President George W. Bush, and have increased substantially under his successor Barack Obama.[13] Some in the media have referred to the attacks as a "drone war".[14][15] The George W. Bush administration officially denied the extent of its policy; in May 2013, the Obama administration acknowledged for the first time that four US citizens had been killed in the strikes.[16] Surveys have shown that the strikes are deeply unpopular in Pakistan, where they have contributed to a negative perception of the United States.[17]

    The US administration and Pakistani authorities have publicly claimed that civilian deaths from the attacks are minimal. Leaked military documents reveal that the vast majority of people killed have not been the intended targets, with approximately 13% of deaths being the intended targets, 81% being other militants, and 6% being civilians.[18][19] The identities of collateral victims are usually not investigated by US forces, who systematically count each male military-age corpse as an "enemy killed in action" unless there is clear proof to the contrary, as long as the male was in a militant facility at the time.[19] An estimated 158 to 965 civilians have been killed, including 172 to 207 children.[6][10] Amnesty International found that a number of victims were unarmed and that some strikes could amount to war crimes.[20]
    **

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_strikes_in_Pakistan

    For starters, it seems you're taking it for granted that the U.S. should have invaded Afghanistan to begin with, something which I certainly don't agree with. We all know that the Taliban certainly wasn't God's gift to man, despite what they may have thought of themselves, but faced with an imminent U.S. invasion, even they became relatively reasonable. Asked to hand over Osama Bin Laden, they simply asked for evidence that he had actually orchestrated 9/11. There's an article that goes into this here:
    http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com...-light-on-early-taliban-offers-pakistan-role/

    The article goes on about it being a "missed opportunity", assuming that the U.S. did, in fact, have sufficient evidence to convict Bin Laden. But even the FBI has admitted that it never had hard evidence to convict Bin Laden of orchestrating 9/11:
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/fbi-says-no-hard-evidence-connecting-bin-laden-to-9-11/2623

    I never said he didn't orchestrate the strike. What I was referring to is if he orchestrated what happened -after- the strike. Did you notice in that youtube video that Obama said that there was only a 50/50 chance that the man in the compound was actually Obama? Given this tenuous evidence, wouldn't it make a lot more sense for Obama to have gotten more evidence that this was really Osama instead of someone who was perhaps only pretending to be Osama? Whose decision was it to dump Osama's body in the ocean? Who came up with the absurd idea that throwing him into the ocean was fine according to Muslim tradition? All we get is whispers from sources who insist on anonymity:
    http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/05/02/why-was-bin-laden-buried-at-sea-so-quickly/

    Who allegedly did the DNA testing that verified that the man killed in the compound was in fact Osama? Even Snowden's leaks only got as far as revealing that "authorities" conducted it:
    https://www.rt.com/usa/snowden-leak-obl-dna-219/

    There are articles dedicated to evidence that the real Osama Bin Laden did not look like the man who was allegedly at the compound:
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden-was-an-american-hoax/5350261

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/bin_laden_death.html
     

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