Say Goodby to Net Neutrality

No Pain No Gain .... it’s time Trump Supporters get what they Voted for ...

 

I think it's time they wake up and realize that the GOP hosed then yet again

 

2008 is a perfect example of what happens when government gets involved with businesses and pushes it's political agenda on them. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

That's hilarious coming from a clinton lover.
"As we revisit the exploits of Saturday Night Bill and listen to biographer Taylor Branch's taped private rumination after his series of interviews with the former president, the obvious question arises: Was the 42nd president a sociopath?

Sociopaths are often characterized as people who lack a conscience and never feel remorse about their actions, even when they emotionally destroy other people. They don't take responsibility for their behavior, and blame others for whatever havoc they create. They are generally charming on the surface

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  As we revisit the exploits of Saturday Night Bill and listen to biographer Taylor Branch's taped private rumination after his series of interviews with the former president, the obvious question arises: Was the 42nd president a sociopath?
  
  Sociopaths are often characterized as people who lack a conscience and never feel remorse about their actions, even when they emotionally destroy other people. They don't take responsibility for their behavior, and blame others for whatever havoc they create. They are generally charming on the surface.
  
  In all my years of dealing with Bill Clinton, I never heard him express the slightest twinge of regret or concern about the fate of women who had crossed his path. He would discuss the Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers or Monica Lewinsky "situations" as if it involved someone else, not him, and never reflected on the damage he had caused to other human beings.
  
  For example, as he was about to hang Flowers out to dry and portray her as a liar and stalker, we spoke by phone right before his "60 Minutes" interview. I recommended that he admit that he had made mistakes, but recite the litany of other presidents who had not been faithful to their spouses and say that he hoped he could be as great a president as they were.
  
  His reply, coldly analytical and without emotion was "that's great, but I'd have to find a new place to live."
  
  
  Whenever any of the women came up in conversation, he would swear that all the charges against him were untrue except those concerning Monica Lewinsky. Of those accusations, he said, "I didn't do what they said I did, but I may have done so much that I can't prove my innocence."
  

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/01/07/is_bill_clinton_a_sociopath__129236.html

 

"The truth is all of these "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" programs are nothing more than government taking control of private enterprises."

Substitute "right wing stereotype" for "truth", and you have an accurate point.

There is no evidence whatsoever to support any of your claims. Indeed, most of the people on this thread recognize that the repeal of regulations that restrict ISP's from throttling the content you get will allow them to turn the internet into another version of cable TV.

Nor has anyone proposed nationalizing internet service in the US, as you falsely imply.

Give the ISP's what they want (and what Trump plans to reward them with), and investment in higher speeds will stop. After all, when you own the market, you control customer's expectations. And since internet access and speed in the US is already second rate, (and often third or forth rate in much of the country), it will only get worse.

Claiming that you can just hire somebody else if you don't like that is a ridiculous argument, since most Americans only get to choose between two companies or none at all.

You won't demand better, because you don't have anything to compare what you get to.

 

"Sociopaths are often characterized as people who lack a conscience and never feel remorse about their actions, even when they emotionally destroy other people. "

That is a perfect description of Donald Trump.

 

Exactly. It's like Affordable Healthcare or Planned Parenthood, to obscure the truth behind the program or legislation.

As far as the Internet becoming like "crappy cable" TV, an Internet connection provides the means to compete with crappy cable TV with streaming TV from many competitors. The last thing we want to happen is the government telling us which streaming services to chose. In the past there was no gov regulation and that truly is net neutrality. Market forces should do the job.

Steve

 

It's actually the other way around. It's the result of private enterprises taking over the government. Net neutrality is good for large ISPs. They want it. Only they have the resources and ability to comply with it.

Throttling is a strategy to deploy limited hardware resources across larger networks of consumers. It's the ability to sell 5 mb of bandwidth to 100 people when you only have capacity to service 75 5 mb connections at once. Do you think this is a problem that large ISPs really struggle with?

 

You fail to see or don't want to admit where this could lead if someone like Obama was president again. He could throttle back on those be thought were against him and dole out to those that were with him. It's a dangerous thing to give government this power.

 

Either way net neutrality is a bad idea.

 

Of course. It's based on the false premise that in the absence of government regulation; no regulation. God forbid consumers have the unfettered power to make their own choices.

 

You seem to have an opinion exactly 180 degrees off from Alan Greenspan. Remember him?

 

Yea...we'll soon have the "choice" to pay a lot more and get a lot less

 

Your point is?

 

My point is that you are wrong

 

Greenspan was wrong and admitted it. Point is the only reason banks made these subprime loans was because Democrats demanded it and that's a perfect example of what government interference in the private sector does. It's the unintended consequences that get you every time and just as government demanding sub prime loans led to financial collapse government demands for net neutrality will have it's own unintended consequences. Although I maintain that at least one potential consequence is a well thought out plan to ultimately control the flow of information on the net by an oppressive leftist regime.

 

He was wrong about what?

Oh that's right. He was wrong in thinking that deregulation was the correct thing to do.

"Apparently markets are not self correcting" was what he said when it became painfully obvious

 

The banks never would have done what they did if they were not forced to by the government. That's the pertinent fact in this equation as it relates to net neutrality. Companies adapt to survive these arbitrary regulations and it's not pretty when they do. Here's a small example. Years ago OSHA said all loggers running a chainsaw had to wear protective Kevlar chaps to avoid being cut on the legs. Problem is these early chaps were big and heavy and clumsy with lots of straps for limbs or brush to get caught in. After several timber fallers were killed because they couldn't run from some unforeseen event due to their chaps getting tangled up OSHA relaxed the rule until better chaps were developed. In the mean time several men died. Unintended consequences, "Im from the government and I'm here to help".

 

That's bullshit and Greenspan's comment shows that.

As far as OSHA...I deal with that stuff on a daily basis...and while they make some mistakes and adhering to those rules is a pain in the butt...it saves thousands of lives and hundreds of thousands of injuries a year. And guess what? Most smart businesses embrace OSHA because it saves THEM from lawsuits and lost time injuries.

My guys used to bitch about the OSHA rules...and I (management yet) told them.. "Look, if you get hurt..your family suffers and you suffer...but the company will just replace you and move on"

They get it now

 

Letting the government control the internet is like letting an alcoholic manage a bar.

 

Greenspan said he should have regulated what banks were forced to do to survive the demands that government made on them to give subprime loans. He never said the demand by government in the first place was right. As per the subject of this thread that is the relevant point. What it does show though is the unintended consequences of government sticking it's nose into private industry in the first place.

 

When someone tells you that government can not ever work...and then asks you to vote for him...he's asking for a license to steal.

Remember that

 

At best! At worst it's giving Hitler control of the media.

 

Please provide a quote of that ...post 2008

 

Actually it;s like letting a couple of rich *******s control it.