School shootings are extraordinarily rare. Why is fear of them driving policy?

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  1. doombug

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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...ead9f2-2247-11e8-94da-ebf9d112159c_story.html

    Why is such a rare event driving policy? That is a good question. My thoughts are that it is obvious the left wing media is pushing the left wing agenda. They over hype anything that can be brought to attention in order to shape policy toward a socialist communist society.

    Any other thoughts?
     
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    My guess, and this is just off the top of my head...because it involves kids being murdered. Surely people can understand this. Full disclosure, I own a gun so I'm pro-2A. But at the same time I can certainly understand why these 'rare events' are causing this reaction. Kids should NEVER have to worry about not being safe at school. Parents should NEVER have to worry about the safety of their kids at school. When I was in school shootings weren't even a thought. School hours were the hours my parents never had to worry about my safety. Today is a different ball game. And yes, I get that statistically it's 'rare'...but try telling that to a parent.
     
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    Tell that to Chicago
     
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    Tell what? Where you going with this?
     
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    Kids are killed damn near every day in that bastion of anti-gun laws city of Chicago. Where's the outcry? Only thing that I can think of is that liberals don't want to face the fact that gun laws don't work worth a damn.
     
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    No, it isn't a good question. Gun deaths are driving the debate, not just school kids being massacred.
     
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    Kids don't like being shot.
     
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    Some school children are becoming neurotic due to the mainstream media's attempt to regain lost revenue - "if it bleeds, it leads" mentality. In these politically correct times, no one is going to tell them they are becoming neurotic over something much less likely to happen than getting killed texting friends on a smartphone while driving.

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    Because it deals with children plain and simple. That's the way society is, we take special notice of the lives of women and children and when they are targeted it becomes a bigger deal. Just like when things are reported it's usually noted that X amount of "women and children" were among those injured or killed in any given incident.

    We as a society can sort of stomach adults, mainly adult males, being killed but children is a huge red flag which is completely understandable for obvious reasons. Even though school shootings are statistically rare the fact that it has been children killed has caused a mass hysteria and emotional driving force behind this new push to do something about it.

    Although the reality is that very little can actually be done in regards to the firearms themselves, folks don't want to hear that anymore and the emotion behind this is driving the irrational fear.

    I can sit here and cite statistics all day long as well and provide factual proof about gun control but what I can't do is really blame the parents or students for feeling the way they do right now. I fancy myself as a pretty rational guy and an avid gun owner and pro 2nd Amendment, however, my kids didn't get gunned down while going to school either...I won't sit here and speculate how I would feel or what thoughts I would have if my own kids were shot to death in class by a lunatic with a gun.

    Basically what I'm saying is that people are people, we are not robots, and we do have emotions that drive our feelings. A lot of folks in society just have fears about things whether it's warranted or not or whether it even makes actual rational sense or not. There are thousands of folks who are absolutely terrified to fly on an airplane for fear of death and choose instead to travel cross country in their vehicle on the interstate. That fear is 100% irrational, it literally makes no sense, they are afraid of what is LESS dangerous and have no issues with doing the MORE dangerous of the two modes of travel. But they are human and it's pure irrational emotion that is driving that decision instead of factual statistical data.

    I'm not afraid of guns and this is coming from a guy who gets shot at for a living who has been crouched behind a broken down car while fully automatic machine gun fire was flying by wounding people around me. I've been shot at multiple times by AK-47s yet I still have an AK-47 in my closet. I know full well that bullets do to human beings I've seen it way more often than I wish I had. But saying that I fully understand that not everybody's brains are programmed the same way as mine so I can't really blame others who are freaked out by guns.

    Now granted I know that we can't make policy based on emotion, that is NEVER a good idea. But at the same time I will once again reiterate that it's easy for me to just sit here and roll my eyes at this mass hysteria about guns because it wasn't my kids who were killed. Would I hold the same hardcore stance in defense of firearms if my kids were shot by one? I THINK I would but I honestly don't know. I can speculate all day long but I have no idea how I would feel if something like that happened to my own family. So I can't blame them for freaking out they way they are. I don't agree with them, but I'm not jumping on the bandwagon of just bashing them for their irrational emotions either.
     
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    Because human beings are massive balls of emotions, hormones and instinct engulfing tiny specks of rational thought and logic.
     
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    Exactly. Nothing gets better ratings than a crying white mother yet in Chicago.....crickets.
     
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    There were NEVER school shootings when I was a student...likely due to the fact that it was prior to an activist judge that twisted and distorted the 2nd amendment, so kids today have the right to demand the same security and peace of mind as well.
     
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    Dead children give the left an aoppotunity to push an agenda they know will otherwise go nowhere.
     
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    In no universe does your post make the slightest whit of sense.
    Please: edit for clarity.
     
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    So.. an appeal to emotion, but on a grander scale.
     
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    Glaringly insufficient gun control policy presents itself in a variety of forms. The slaughter of innocent kids being one.
     
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    Emotion is a component. How could it not be when such a tragic event occurs. But there is just as much appeal to common sense.
     
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    Argumentum ad passiones is a logical fallacy; reasoned, thinking, sensical people are not swayed by fallacious arguments.
    Why are you ?
     
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    There wasn't more gun control in the 70s and 80s when I was in school and there were no mass school shootings. Nor was there more gun control in the 60s, 50s, 40s, 30s, well you see where I'm going with this. So 'insufficient' gun control isn't the reason for kids using mass shootings as a way of dealing with problems in their life.
     
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    What policy? We decided this stuff long ago. We're ok with it, we just have to pretend otherwise.
     
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    Absolutely, the same types who want every American to have an arsenal, are the ones who advocate for disarming whole countries, or bombing them back to the stone ages. These same people usually live in areas where the likelihood of terrorist attacks is close to 0. How many innocent lives were sacrificed in the ME, all caused by the policy response to "one live lost to terrorism is one live to many"?

    But, as usual, the whole conservative platform is based on fear: Fear of terrorists, the "others", Muslims, Ebola etc. In the case of gun laws, the fear is that their guns will be taken away, so again the emotional response is immediate and strong. Actually, fear is the reason to have a gun in the first place.
     
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    I agree, the issue is the society we built.
     
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    Take a guess, how many AR's do you think were in circulation in the 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s?
     
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    Gosh, let me think...

    Kids? Murdered? Multiple kids? Kids? Kids? Maybe kids? Children? School Kids? Young Children? Shot down?
    Gosh - you must be right. The only possible motive must be a political agenda ...

    WTF. Just get the **** out of here.
     

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