Science - Discovering What is Already There

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  1. ChemEngineer

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    Imagine someone walking into a magnificent dining hall, where a long table is set with exquisite china, silverware, crystal glasses, and the finest food anywhere. He acts as if he made the castle, the furniture, the china and silverware and crystal and food, when in fact all he did was to FIND IT, ALREADY THERE!

    And so it is with atheists, who claim science as THEIR domain, as if they created physical laws, atomic structure, chemical reactions that are wonderfully reversible, the electromagnetic spectrum, beauty and correspondences and interrelationships and elegance that continue to unfold before our feeble and slow efforts.

    In fact, atheists, of all people, pretend that these bountiful wonders are nothing special. Those of you who might be impressed are simply making, as atheists so gleefully declare, "The argument from incredulity." You may be incredulous, but atheists, simply yawn. Nothing is anything to them. It all simply made itself, and is... yawn... oh so boring, n'est-ce pas?
     
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    That's not really a proper analogy. Science examines and explains why things are the way they are. Scientists can claim to have created the explanation of the mechanic, but not the mechanic itself.

    No, that is a complete strawman. Atheists simply point out that the scientific data has not supported theistic hypothesis, so by deduction it would suggest that there is no god.

    lolwut?

    Any examples for these claims?
     
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    None of that has any basis in reality. Why did you vomit this rambling nonsense into the science section if all you wanted to do was make a fool of yourself trying to bash atheists?
     
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    I'm a bit confounded by the argument atheists find nothing special in what is already there...There are probably more non-believers, or at least non-dogmatists trying to understand and protect what you think we find nothing special while you can almost bet which side fundamentalists are sitting....
     
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    page 10 And like any militant church, this one (atheism) places a familiar demand before all others: Thou shalt have no other gods before me. It is this that is new; it is this that is important. - The Devil's Delusion, by David Berlinski (a secular Jew)

    page 26 What Hitler did not believe, and what Stalin did not believe and what Mao did not believe and what the SS did not believe and what the Gestapo did not believe and what the NKVD did not believe and what the commissars, functionaries, swaggering executioners, Nazi doctors, Communist Party theoreticians, intellectuals, Brown Shirts, Black Shirts, gauleiters, and a thousand party hacks did not believe was that God was watching what they were doing.



    page 27 Hitler's Germany was a technologically sophisticated secular society, and Nazism itself, as party propagandists never tired of stressing, was "motivated by an ethic that prided itself in being scientific." (From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics, and Racism in Germany)
     
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    I'm an atheist and I don't say the things you accuse me of. Please stop libelling me. :)
     
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    Sooooooo Science = Hitler? Wow, that's a refined argument.
     
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    "To a mathematician, these things (remarkable, strange and baffling results that have appeared in theoretical physics over the past twenty years) cannot be coincidence, they must come from a higher reason. And that reason is the assumption that this big mathematical theory describes nature." - Mathematician Richard Thomas of the Imperial College of London - (The Devil's Delusion, by David Berlinski, page 46)
     
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    God made the internet.
     
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    Al Gore is god....?
     
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    No I'm God.
     
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    Science is 100% agnostic on the topic of god.
     
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    Utterly false. Completely and utterly the opposite of what the overwhelming majority of "academics" contend, with every breath in their bodies. Christians are afraid to speak out, for fear of being blacklisted and not getting promotions or tenure.
    Censorship is NOT science.
     
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    Science <> Academics.

    People might discriminate, but science does not.
     
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    Please name just one thing that was censored by science.
     
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    Oh please. The fraud perpetrated in the name of science is the subject of books.
    You think that because someone graduates with a degree in science that he suddenly becomes perfect, and beyond greed and avarice? Humans do not lose their humanity when they graduate. They're still fallible. Only a sanctimonious, perfect Leftist would pretend otherwise.

    Universities around the world do not tolerate dissent from Darwinian orthodoxy, nor from the climate change narrative. Anyone pretending otherwise is simply being dishonest.
     
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    Man, you and Dirk Gently!:

    “Gravity,” said Dirk with a slightly dismissive shrug, “yes, there was that as well, I suppose. Though that, of course, was merely a discovery. It was there to be discovered.”

    He took a penny out of his pocket and tossed it casually on to the pebbles that ran alongside the paved pathway.

    “You see?” he said, “They even keep it on at weekends. Someone was bound to notice sooner or later.”​
     
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    In terms of its approach, sure I guess. Secular would be a better word to describe.

    In terms of its conclusions, not so much. I guess if we're going to be super accurate, sure. Science can't absolutely prove that there is or is not a God, but the data certainly suggests the latter.
     
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    Which data can you point to that shows what was going on before the party got started (big bang?)
     
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    According to relativity, there was no "before" as time is a product of the Big Bang.
     
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    Not another imaginary friend thread....:rolleyes:
    The difference between having faith in science and faith in god, is that science exists.
     
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    Scientists typically do not believe in the supernatural.. They have to deal with observable facts.
     
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    Its a silly thread.
     
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    Such as Multiverses. How "observable" Multiverses are. And dark matter.
    The claim that reality is exclusively materialist is anti-scientific and unintelligent. It censors what may be investigated.
     
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    I don't know anything about dark matter and have no interest in it.. However, geology, plate tectonics, archeology, etc have never proven the supernatural.
     
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