Science discovers genes linked to intelligence.

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Bingo!

    Even a kid with a high IQ will do poorly in school if they have parents who don't care about their education.

    The culture of valuing education is what enables even average kids to make the most of the IQ potential and the opposite is true for kids growing up in a culture where education is undervalued and this applies irrespective of race.

    The other problem with IQ testing is that it is not applied in context. If an African Bushman were to be asked to take a standard classroom IQ test alongside the average American student they would do poorly on the test. But reverse the test and put the same Bushman and average American student down in the middle of the Namib desert for two weeks the results would show that it was the average American student who did poorly while the Bushman excelled.

    Trying to equate two different kinds of cultures by using a standardized IQ test that favors one culture over others is nothing but disinformation for those who have an agenda.
     
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    The entirety of disparate impact hangs on a theory of identical race IQs. Once that is undermined a large chunk of garbage law falls. Intelligence testing can return to pre-employment screening, a most important metric that is currently illegal (except for the military).
     
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    The science has relatively recently just begun to discover genes linked to intelligence.....and the postulation is that many more remain to be discovered....thus those who cannot see how this undermines their theory of culture determining intelligence must have blinders on.

    Yet they will continue to go up against science until the last cow comes home.
     
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    The left-wingers have done more damage to our public schools than any other group by their stubborn and illogical opinion that everyone is equal when all the evidence goes the other way.

    The bottom line is simply this: it is a waste of time and resources to try and give unqualified students(those with low i.q.'s) a academic education which they cannot absorb....the current method used by public schools to try and get around this rather obvious truth is to 'educate to the test'---a term probably unfamiliar to anyone without much knowledge of how public schools now operate. What it means is they teach kids how to pass tests...in other words ...the emphasis in public school education is not education but how they can get low i.q. kids to pass tests in order to make it appear to the state that the teachers are doing a good job...scandalous but they are getting away with that as also in many cases they have gotten away with giving these same kids the answers to tests before they are administered....a great charade folks...and this is costing tax payers big time and it achieves noting but an illuusory image of the liberal narrative being true aka all are equal....a good line for communism but not for a quality schools system which we gave up decades ago in a vain attempt to prove that all are equal.

    "Teaching to the test" is a colloquial term for any method of education whose curriculum is heavily focused on preparing students for a standardized test.

    https://gadflyonthewallblog.wordpre...ching-to-the-test-is-educational-malpractice/

    Get rid of bussing...get back to having neighborhood schools were kids can walk to school.
    http://archplanbaltimore.blogspot.in/2016/07/schools-transportation-instead-of.html

    Again...we need shop classes for the less gifted and local control of schools aka get the Federal government out of our public schools...all they have done is to turn them into federal indoctrination centers.
     
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    B.S. excuse me....your liberal narrative is showing.

    'So now you have the left dismissing college in much they same way they dismiss IQ tests. If some people score low, it’s because of racism or some imagined external factor, not because of innate individual cognitive differences. For the left, the modus operandi, again, is the same: blame large external targets (society, the economy, college, technology…) for individual deficits and differences that are biological in nature, not external.'
     
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    Your BLOGGER discredits himself! :eek:

    Just another libertarian blogger with no concept at all of how reality works.
     
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    'Rare mutations contribute to individual differences in personality and IQ.

    Never has the nature vs. nurture question been more hotly debated than over the question of intelligence. To what degree are individual differences in IQ due to environment or heredity? Traditionally, the heritability of intelligence—the extent to which differences in intelligence are due to differences in genes—has been calculated by testing the intelligence of closely related individuals, such as twins, and comparing the results to tests of unrelated people. It has been much harder to examine the human genome directly in order to determine the extent to which genetic variation is associated with IQ differences'

    https://www.amren.com/commentary/20...erstanding-genetic-contribution-intelligence/
     
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    Both my parents were of lowish to average intelligence (I could tell you stories!) and as a kid I was pretty much like them. They bought me comics to read but I yearned for something deeper because there wasn't a single proper book in our house, and it never occurred to them to get me any, and it never occurred to me to ask, duh...
    But then my schoolpal John showed me his beautiful set of children's illustrated encyclopaedia and I used to spend hours in his house reading them because they showed me there was a whole new exciting world out there.
    As a result I blossomed intellectually and started doing well at school and even passed the prestigious nationwide 11-plus exam which only one in five kids passed.
    The moral?- give your kids access to decent books and maybe they'll blossom too, no matter what their parents genes are like..;)
     
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    Some kids like to read and some kids have no interest or much capability in comprehending the language.

    Everyone is different....what works for you will not work for everyone.

    The great fallacy of our schools 'attempting to educate and treat all children like they are all the same'--which is one of the biggest errors in our current public educational system.....the stupidity of the no child left behind b.s. championed by george bush...no suprise there.

    In the final analysis the biggest problems in our public schools are due to politics....aka the liberal narrative.

    What our public schools need is a huge dose of common sense....get back to the basics...cease trying to use our schools as a sociology experiment.

    Focus on education and what works and what does not.


    Do not insist that all children receive an academic type education.....when it is quite apparent some have no aptitude for that sort of education.

    Everyone should be treated as an individual which would necessitate understanding their desires, needs and aptitudes.

    Is it really good to attempt to foist the same sort of education on all students?...would it not be better to approach the educational problem in a saner and practical manner i.e. distinguishing different capabilities and talents of students...some have mechanical aptitudes, desires and talents...should we not recognize their educational needs are different than those with a aptitude for academics?
     
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    Still cannot alter their intelligence. Giving knowledge does not increase intelligence; two different things.
     
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    Ah geez, another born that way characteristic. Only a matter of time before discrimination against the unintelligent is made illegal.
     
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    Could a nation function if everyone was a genius? Who would want to do the dirty work aka...take out the garbage, wash dishes in a restaurant, work at a fast food restaurant etc.

    Any functioning society must have a division of labor.....is that why nature produced so many with low i.q.'s.?

    Now we are on the verge of a new frontier of creating designer babies aka being able to produce a highly intelligent newborn via genetic manipulation etc.

    Not even to mention the merging of computers with brains.

    and then............the increasing perfection of robots and their ability to do manual labor.

    Where are we headed? Will humans become expendable as machines become intelligent and able to take over traditional human occupations?

    We already have a huge minority population with a huge unemployment problem...so many of them are simply unemployable...not all due to the fact that many employers will not hire them based on their rap sheets and propensity for causing trouble...so many of them simply lack job skills.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...oyment-is-consistently-double-that-of-whites/
     
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    It's been known for a long time that genetics is LINKED to intelligence. People need to stop conflating that with the idea that intelligence is CONTROLLED by genetics.

    It isn't. Intelligence is linked to LOTS of factors.
     
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    Which is more important getting a diploma or getting a job? Ever notice how many cab drivers have advanced degrees?

    If they could go back would they not choose to learn a skill that would provide them with a good paying job, the ability to support their family, insurance and security....or is that degree in philosophy still more desirable?

    Too many willing to accept simple and political b.s. instead of being pragmatic....Americans were once known as highly pragmatic.

    Am I saying intelligence is overated? Perhaps those with below average or just average intelligence should stop trying to be perceived as something they are not even to the extent of seeking the sort of education that will have no real benefit for them other than bragging rights...aka oh me got a masters in basket weaving. Duh
     
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    I have a degree in Economics (a very marketable degree) and it took me more than a year to get a job in my field. In that time I worked a number of crappy jobs including working a sales table for a sports league photography group and working in a warehouse for a humanitarian non-profit.

    Having a "useful" degree doesn't mean you don't end up working crappy jobs.
     
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    I think everyone should have the right to pursue whatever sort of education they want even if it is of little value....but they have no excuse to at the same time scream waycism or da white man holding me down...when their poor choices in life have results they never thought of.

    Life is not fair...never has been and doubtful it will ever be...get realistic people....and to all the stupid white folks that feel guilty for being white....study up and resist that b.s. you were taught at some liberal state college via a idealistic and unrealistic professor who is so wrapped up in the liberal narrative he cannot see daylight.
     
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    Some human traits are purely genetic, e.g., eye color. Some are based solely on environment, e.g., language spoken. Many are a combination of genetics and environment, e.g., certain diseases. "Intelligence", depending on how that word is defined, is a combination of genetics and environment.
     
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    Genes and the environment work together, so no, culture and environment have not been proven not to shape intelligence. For example, you can have a gene for height, but if you are not given sufficient quality food, you can remain short. It's a combination between genes and environment. Roughly speaking, intelligence has been shown to be around 50% environment and 50% genes.
    But is that heredity or environment? I'm sure successful parents provide a better environment for their kids to grow up in. I'm sure dumb parents aren't. For example, my wife teaches in a fairly impoverished area middle school. Talking with the kids, she realizes that many of them were never read to as toddlers. That doesn't happen in the middle and upper class. It's unthinkable for us to not read to our kids. So, is the intelligence of my sons due to intelligence or environment. I argue that both are important. If someone has the intelligence genes, but is not given the right environment, they are not going to show academic achievement.
     
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    They don't have the same environment. Their home environments are different. Genes play a role in intelligence, but not the only role.
     
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    Did you read the article you posted? It says about half of the difference between people on intelligence tests is due to environment.
    From your article from Scientific American
     
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    What do they claim?

    Got it now, later in the threads.

    Personally, I think that the best thing for most people is to think that intelligence is more due to persistence and hard work than just due to genes. You can do something to increase your persistence, and you can choose to work harder. You can't change your genes. As a gifted student (meaning IQ 130+ and given special classes to enrich my education), I think the worst thing we can do is say that IQ is more important than hard work and persistence. Several of my gifted friends thought that IQ alone was enough, and they lost the last three years of full tuition scholarships because of that. We need to teach kids the value of hard work and persistence.
     
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