Science discovers genes linked to intelligence.

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no one said your genes did not play a part, but nurture and environment plays a role too

    the better your parents and community the better odds you have of reaching your full potential, do you deny that?
     
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    Genes play the major role.
    A great study study out of Denmark some years back about genetics and criminality.
    It researched boys adopted into homes where the boys had a criminal father and were adopted into homes with criminals and no criminals. Likewise boys with no family criminals adopted into both such homes. Genetics played a far greater role than environment.
    About 2/3rds to 1/3rd a I remember.
    People just don't like to believe they are victims of their genetics.
    It's really not my fault, I am a victim of my genes.
    Free Will and the role of environment is an over rated illusion.

    Remember Son of Sam Berkowitz. An Italian baby adopted into a Jewish home.
    The best home could not "cure" his Italian genome.
     
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    It already is. This is a huge part of disparate impact law. You cannot test for intelligence in employment because some races don't score as well as others. The twist is that 'it's racist' but the truth is that it's IQist.

    The left is hard on this by delegitimizing IQ/intelligence everywhere they can.
     
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    ... and it's heritable. All the nutrition in the world won't alter that.

    Investigate Head Start and the report on efficacy THEY PRODUCED IN HOUSE about 5 years ago. It doesn't do much. Good daycare (maybe). No IQ bump.
     
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    IQ measured using what version of the test? You do know that the same person tested with different IQ tests can get wildly different results, right?
     
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    The 'discredit the metric' game, eh? Not playing.
     
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    There are multiple metrics. That is objective truth.

    Different metrics applied to the same person can and do result in wildly divergent measures. That is also objective truth.

    You prefer your subjective worldview to science.
     
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    You shill for the leftist line: discredit the metric. No science there.
     
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    Yes, with the National Education System we're handing our kids over to complete strangers (teachers) for many years of their lives.
    An alternative is to homeschool our kids ourselves, it's allowed in Britain and America, and lots of parents do it, I'd do it myself if I had kids.
    I went through the Brit Edu System but learnt far more from my schoolpal John's set of illustrated childrens encyclopaedia, I used to spend hours in his house reading them..:)
    WIKI- "..as of 2016, there are about 2.3 million home-schooled students in the United States.."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeschooling
     
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    An Asian family is hardly the same as a white family. Asians are from a culture of high achievers, at least the American Asians are culturally like this. You see something similar in Jewish families which has been the brunt of many jokes for my entire life.

    But beyond this there seems to be a genetic role in intelligence, IQ. Whites are not in the highest group a group of Jews are, followed by Asians. But what is being tested is the processing part of the brain, which is needed in higher math, and the ability to think in a logical, mathematical manner.

    Yet one can also get an idea of genetics and intelligence by simply looking at the race of the people who have contributed the most to what has given us high technology, science and even philosophy. Who are the greatest in these categories? What race has contributed the most? By using this you can an idea of where the proof in the pudding is. And this is far more important than IQ tests, as a judge, for it uses historical realities. We note these people down, and they make it into history books, unless political correctness stops this at some point.

    Yet there are highly intelligent people in the groups lower on the intelligence rung. So race does not doom someone to less intelligence, thank god. It isn't 100 percent predictive. And I can think of nothing good that comes from making race a means to judge intelligence. Yet to make it in the same category as book burning isn't a good thing either. For it was not Asians that gave us jazz, the blues, and rock and roll. The world would be a much more drab existence if not for what black people have contributed to humanity. And art is important, creativity is important and there is much more to human existence other than the ability to process numbers, as important as that is.

    One wonders what effects AI will have on human intelligence? I think it may be ill effects, perhaps even destructive. I guess we will find out.
     
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    There are multiple metrics. Which metric are you talking about?
     
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    I'm not playing. Play with yourself.
     
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    Good post. Looking at the winners of Nobel prizes for science is instructive, too.
     
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    You are objectively wrong. You just don't have the intellectual integrity to admit you are wrong.

    It's a common trait among Rightists.
     
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