Science Reconsidered

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  1. lynnlynn

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    You are right about "Thou shall not be an idiot"
     
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    What if idiocy is profitable?
    I mean those escaping aquafarm critters can't hurt nothin'.
    :lol:
    see last page about middlin
     
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    Idiocy is ABSOLUTELY PROFITABLE!!!

    Just look at Religion or look at the Vatican!

    Jesus need's a few bucks....Donation Please?

    AA
     
  4. Moi621

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    Talk about an epiphany.
    This was an Epiphany + :eyepopping:


    Reptiles were the earliest vertebrates to experience, coitus!
    Arthropods already had it.
    Amphibians "did it" like the fishes.

    Has anyone ever come across any scholarly writing on the evolution of vertebrate coitus?


    I guess reptiles were the first vertebrates, except for some possible middlin' AmphibioReptile in the geologic history or living today in some remote place.
    Makes me dream of Anna (the Queen lizard, "V") except for her afterplay part :lol:


    Moi :oldman:
    How Hot Blooded d'ya have to be?

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  5. Moi621

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    http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/04/03/15-years-to-mars-russia-could-do-it-in-15-months.aspx

    Nuclear Fission Drive,
    Mars in 1.5 months.



    1.5 Years to Mars? Russia Could Do It in 1.5 Months​

    Russia's space program could rapidly reach Mars -- if the money doesn't run out first.​


    As the head of Russian State Atomic Energy Corporation Rosatom, Sergey Kirienko is one of the first people you'd expect to play the cheerleader for nuclear power. What's unusual about Kirienko, though, is what he wants to use nuclear power for: Powering spaceships.



    Would someone please explain fission Nuclear drive for space travel?
    I cannot figure it out. :frown:
    It isn't the successive fission explosions :flagus: dreamt of to propel a vehicle forward. :roll:


    Moi :oldman:

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    Russia's economy is barely above water so they are not going to waste money going to Mars.

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  7. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/04/24/why-is-africa-so-poor-while-europe-and-north-america-are-so-wealthy/

    Why is Africa so poor while Europe
    and North America are so wealthy?

    A few years ago, two economics professors, Quamrul Ashraf and Oded Galor, published a paper, “The Out of Africa Hypothesis, Human Genetic Diversity, and Comparative Economic Development,” that drew inferences about poverty and genetics based on a statistical pattern.

    The world’s most genetically diverse countries (using their measure of what counts as genetically diverse) are in sub-Saharan Africa, which is the world’s poorest region. The least genetically diverse countries are in places like Bolivia, which have low incomes but not as low as in that region of Africa. There’s an intermediate level of genetic diversity among the residents of the middle-income and rich countries in Asia, Europe and North America.


    Ashraf and Galor put this together and argued that this is “reflecting the trade-off between the beneficial and the detrimental effects of diversity on productivity.” Their argument was that a little bit of genetic diversity is a good thing because “a wider spectrum of traits is more likely to be complementary to the development and successful implementation of advanced technological paradigms,” but if a country is too genetically diverse, its economy will suffer from “reduced cooperation and efficiency.” Thus, they wrote, “the high degree of diversity among African populations and the low degree of diversity among Native American populations have been a detrimental force in the development of those regions.”

    Moi does not believe Ashraf and Galor got it correct.
    Moi believes the absence of Neanderthal & Denisovan genome in Sub Saharan Africa is the key they seek!
    The Bolivians have some but live in a nation with minimal resources. That's another key.
    Then there is culture. Latin America is not as productive as North America because of culture such as
    land ownership by a few large land holders.
    Ashraf and Galor do NOT have it correct.



    Moi :oldman:
    Dare to Challenge


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  8. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can a real comet have No Tail ?
    What makes this rock, a comet?
    Rocks in space orbit.


    https://www.yahoo.com/news/astronomers-tailless-comet-first-kind-135238116.html?nhp=1

    Astronomers find a tailless comet, first of its kind​


    The so-called "Manx" comet, named after a breed of cats without tails, was made of rocky materials that are normally found near Earth. Most comets are made of ice and other frozen compounds and were formed in solar system's frigid far reaches.

    Researchers believe the newly found comet was formed in the same region as Earth, then booted to the solar system’s backyard like a gravitational slingshot as planets jostled for position.

    Scientists involved in the discovery now seek to learn how many more Manx comets exist, which could help to resolve debate over exactly how and when the solar system settled into its current configuration.



    Is it really a comet?
    How so?
    I say, "No!". Just a rock.





    Moi :oldman:
    Replanetize Pluto


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  9. Moi621

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    Certainly Space Junk can strike the Space Station from any direction.

    But, do you suppose there is a preferential direction, such as "head on"
    as opposed to from the Earth side, rear side, etc.?

    http://www.cnet.com/news/theres-something-scary-on-one-of-the-space-station-windows/

    There's something scary on one of the space station windows​

    The International Space Station isn't alone up there in orbit. Earth is surrounded
    by bits and bobs of debris running loose and sometimes that junk makes an impact.


    European Space Agency astronaut Tim Peake tweeted a photo on Thursday showing a disconcerting sight through a window on the International Space Station.

    Peake's close-up shows a chip caused by an impact from space debris. The damage is located in the cupola, a place that's used as an observatory with multiple windows giving a good view of Earth. The chip, about a quarter of an inch (7 millimeters), looks a lot like what happens when a small rock strikes your car windshield.


    Guesses. Insight. Knowledge.
    Does Space Junk have a preferential direction for a collision?
    The odds?



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    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2088095-first-americans-hunted-big-game-in-florida-14500-years-ago/

    First Americans hunted big game in Florida 14,500 years ago


    (Findings) include 14,500-year-old stone tools alongside the remains of a butchered or scavenged mastodon,

    The discoveries show that the first people to settle in the Americas, who arrived on the Pacific coast at least 15,500 years ago, must have quickly spread east and south to occupy vast swathes of North America. It also shows that those earliest Americans lived alongside large mammals for at least two millennia before the megafauna went extinct.

    For years, archaeologists thought they understood the early settlement of the Americas. The Clovis people arrived there from Siberia about 13,000 years ago, so the story went, and spread across North America, leaving distinctive tools – and the carcasses of large mammals – in their wake. Soon after the Clovis turned up, many of those large mammal species died out.

    Today, we know the story is more complicated. The discovery of “pre-Clovis” sites shows that humans actually reached the Americas at least 2500 years earlier than the Clovis. But only a few of these sites are known.

    In coastal regions, at least, that rarity might be down to sea level rise associated with the end of the last ice age. Former sites of human occupation are now several metres underwater.

    These sites include Page-Ladson in north-west Florida. Not far from the Gulf of Mexico, it was first investigated in the 1980s and 1990s, when researchers found eight stone artifacts and what appeared to be a butchered mastodon carcass.



    The megafauna were hunted before the days of Clovis peoples.
    Salutreans hunted megafauna, with a "Clovis Point" - pre Clovis.
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21729102-100-migration-mystery-who-were-the-first-americans/
    Migration.jpg Click The Image, please
    I do hope some DNA is harvested from human bones to confirm their origin.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solutrean_hypothesis

    PS Clovis at best, is an idea, not a people.


    Moi :oldman:

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    It's geography and politics, not DNA.

    How many deserts and rainforests does Europe have?

    North America has deserts, but America is one nation. If each state was it's own nation, we'd find a dispersal of wealthy states and poor states, resource wise. Southern Africa is more temperate, but also more isolated from the rest of the world.

    Africa is also much larger than Europe.

    Then add technology. It was never the case that indigenous peoples, across the world, were poor warriors, it's always been that European nations had a technological advantage.

    Climate too, plays into it. Many parts of Africa are dependent upon season rains and ideal climate conditions to be suitable for consistent agriculture. Europe and North America don't really have that problem.

    I cannot prove that DNA is not a part of it, but I think it makes sense to look at more obvious external factors rather than going down the genetics route. Geography and politics have proven themselves to be critical factors to societal development across the world, across history.
     
  12. Moi621

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    What happened to South America.
    It has regions that mirror North America.
    They even supply sweet, Summer fruit around Christmas time cheaper than American in the Summer.
    Ref.: yummy cherries.
    They have mineral wealth too yet something held them back from their full socio-economic development
    compared to North America. They have similar sub tropical and temperate zones too.
    Please explain or hypothesize.
    There is no shortage of DNA diversity in Brazil, Chile, Argentina, The 'guay-s, etc.

    Gracias

    Moi remains unconvinced by Ashraf & Galor.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=376736&page=61&p=1066114202#post1066114202
    Their study should not supply them with no Ivory Tower Polish. :blankstare:

    Moi :oldman:

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    Who doesn't love cephalopods ?

    Squid, octopus, cuttlefish,

    A great alternative for a design of intelligent life.
    At least to SciFi.

    Meanwhile, If YOU :heart: Cephalopods too.
    Then you should :heart: Global Warming as well.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/cuttlefish-squid-relatives-thrive-warming-oceans-182858174.html?nhp=1

    Cuttlefish, Squid and Relatives Thrive in Warming Oceans​

    May 23, 2016

    Warming oceans are bad news for a number of marine species, but cephalopods — the many-armed mollusk group that includes octopus, squid and cuttlefish — are doing just fine. In fact, over the past 60 years their numbers have been on the rise, according to a new study.

    Scientists gathered data from cephalopod fisheries around the world, examining how catch rates — the number of cephalopods captured or sampled at one time — changed for 35 species between 1953 and 2013.

    The researchers found steady increases in diverse cephalopod populations living in a variety of ocean depths and environments, suggesting that changing ocean conditions may actually be beneficial to cephalopods worldwide.



    So it ain't all bad. :headbang:



    Moi :oldman:

    r > g



    Thaw :flagcanada: and What's Left?​
     
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    NASA has gotten its' balky inflatable module to inflate properly.

    But really, what fun is a Jumpy House in Zero G ?​


    [video=youtube;bcYppAs6ZdI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI[/video]​
     
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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/fossils-may-settle-debate-over-hobbit-peoples-ancestry-171609971.html?nhp=1
    New fossils may settle debate
    over 'Hobbit' people's ancestry

    10734838_G.jpg

    The new fossils "strongly suggest" the Hobbit evolved from large-bodied, large-brained members of the extinct human species Homo erectus living in Asia, said palaeoanthropologist Yousuke Kaifu of the National Museum of Nature and Science in Tokyo.

    Homo erectus, which first appeared in Africa roughly 1.9 million years ago, is known from numerous fossils 1.5 million to 150,000 years old from Java, an Indonesian island west of Flores, and the new Flores fossils bear similarities to those, said paleontologist Gerrit van den Bergh of Australia's University of Wollongong.

    the 700,000-year-old fossils rule out claims by some scientists that the Hobbit was a member of our species with a medical condition causing small size. Homo sapiens first appeared in Africa about 200,000 years ago.

    Characteristics of the fossils also do not support the idea the Hobbit evolved from even more ancient members of the human family tree like Homo habilis or Australopithecus, the researchers said.


    No one considers Homo erectus over dissed as a dead end, more than Moi.
    They were PeopleKind and some of their genome is in "us".
    Proof to follow, give it time. :wink:
    BTW recent studies say domestic dogs evolved multi regionally too. Why not? Same natural selection forces.


    Moi :oldman:
    Homo erectus defender

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    http://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-06-term-bird-brain.html
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    Klicken der foto

    The macaw has a brain the size of an unshelled walnut, while the macaque monkey has a brain about the size of a lemon. Nevertheless, the macaw has more neurons in its forebrain - the portion of the brain associated with intelligent behavior - than the macaque.


    Now imagine Dinosaurs with a more avian brain packed with neurons compared to . . .


    Moi :oldman:


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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/humans-first-used-tools-eat-163815070.html?nhp=1

    Humans First Used Tools to Eat Meat 250,000 Years Ago.
    Here’s What the Discovery Means

    Synopsis: Humans uses tools to eat meat 50,000 years before Humans appeared in Africa. :icon_jawdrop:

    Human beings had the brain and the thumbs down even before we were fully human, but when we actually started using tools was open to question. Now, a study in the Journal of Archaeological Science has found firm evidence that hominins used tools to butcher and prepare animals for eating as long as 250,000 years ago, or at least 50,000 years before the earliest modern humans appeared in Africa. That, in turn, may reveal a lot about all human development that followed.

    Moi :oldman:
    Continuity through continuous hybridization.

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    New, Improved Batteries for Electric Cars ?


    I keep :blahblah:
    reading how they will charge up in half a hour and take you 300 miles on a charge.
    Well maybe "new". How about the aging Electric Car battery.
    Will range drop, precipitously with age?
    Will charge time be effected and maybe not packing the same charge when full, as when new?


    Thoughts?



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    How about means to fight Man Made Global Warming for Profits,
    no tax incentives, socialism or social engineer required.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/scientists-accidentally-found-great-way-161618296.html?bcmt=1476932328129-2c8e840a-8f5c-4a75-9308-74799930ab4a&bcmt_s=u#mediacommentsugc_container
    Scientists Accidentally Found a Great New
    Way to Convert CO2 into Ethanol​


    Scientists in Tennessee have accidentally discovered a method to convert carbon dioxide, one of the most serious causes of climate change, into ethanol for use as a fuel not for drinking for internal-combustion motors. This newfound ability to recycle the greenhouse gas could potentially help slow global warming.


    Among the peoples of America, there are few as well versed in the production of ethanol as those in Tennessee.
    Only fuel alcohol? :hmm:
    High tech moonshiners may no longer require corn,
    And it's all for the benefit of our Earth. Until we deplete CO2 so low, the trees are having a hard time.


    Fighting Man Made Climate Change need not involve sacrifice at every turn.
    It can be profitable as Tennessee scientist found.

    Consumers may even chose to imbibe CO2 derived alcoholic drinks for the cause.



    Moi :oldman:
    Climate Change Happens!


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    What he's saying is what I've been saying for a long time. When science tries to tackle religious beliefs they often substitute their own religious belief and call it a theory. They have no clue how life started so they throw a few theories out there and strut around as though they discovered the answer. All of these scientific theories are really just religious beliefs that require as much faith as anything in religion.
    Abiogenesis being one example -
    spontaneous generation : a theory in the evolution of early life on earth: organic molecules and subsequent simple life forms first originated from inorganic substances.

    You see the stars were lined up just so and poof - life. That's right up there with Noah and Jonah.
     
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    Apparently it is. Some people's beliefs in science are so fragile that any opposing ideas must be squelched.
     
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    I'd like to talk about the Sumerians sailing to South America. I have no doubt they did. We have stories of Ancient Chinese and Japanese sailors coming across the Pacific way long before Columbus did. And New Zealanders sailing to Hawaii. In each case I think they were given maps, 'cause no one sails without knowing how much food and fresh water to bring with them, and that requires knowing the distance(in days) to the destination.
     
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    YES !

    For decades I debated Neanderthal hybridized with "us".
    Even with an archeologist friend.
    All those decades I was accused of "fringe" thinking until, TA - DA, I was proven correct.

    Pity the unemployed, fringe scientist who cannot get grants because they violate the current dogma.
    I remember the story of the poor guy who discovered RNA viruses used their RNA to template DNA and make more RNA viruses. DNA from RNA, Harrumpf. No! No! No! Until he was proven correct.

    Currently I am waiting for H. erectus genome to be identified as that "archaic humanoid" in Denisovans and accounting for Tibetan altitude tolerance. It does not make sense that humanoid co-existed for so long and didn't contribute. Just like Neanderthal.
    Why Out Of Africa dominates. Their females were monthly and not seasonal. Just like European and African goats. Still goats.


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    The thing is we can Genetically Track all humanity coming out of Africa.

    This is proven and no longer up for debate.

    AA
     
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    Science does not pretend to have all of the answers.

    Science is self correcting over time.

    Science accepts new discoveries and information.

    Science has improved the quality of life for people.

    Science uses the language of the universe, mathematics, to understand how everything works.
     

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