Scientists Say They'll Have Cancer Cure in Next Year

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  1. Checkerboard Strangler

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    Hmmmm, may I inquire as to your understanding of Shkreli's case, because he never invented a single drug.
    I'm laboring under the impression that we're talking about a brand new drug or treatment.
     
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    He manipulated the market to maximize profit by raising the cost 400% without reason.
    Drugs, new or already on the market are under the control of the government, Their the one delivering the authorization to market the drug and can/will regulate the price if the company is too greedy. This is happening all over the world but it is somewhat slower in the USA since people can always buy them cheaper from Canada or elsewhere.
     
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    Oooops!

    "'Highly Irresponsible:' Israeli Company Claims to Have a Cure for Cancer, but Scientists Say Not So Fast"
    https://www.haaretz.com/science-and...pany-doesn-t-have-a-cure-for-cancer-1.6900631

    EXCERPTS "Scientists quickly rejected the claims, calling them 'spurious,' 'unsubstantiated' and even 'cruel'

    The skeptical scientists note that the research group has not published any findings to back up their claims, as is traditional in the science community.

    Morad told The Times of Israel earlier this week that it has not published its research in medical journals because it “can’t afford” to do so.
    But reputable scientific journals, that are peer reviewed and highly respected, do not charge to publish serious scientific research, though the process can be rigorous."CONTINUED


    I suppose this means that ethical world citizens can continue to condemn Israel's ethnic cleansing agenda without being reviled as "anti Semites" as well as ingrates.
     
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    More specifically, he purchased licenses for a small handful of very very old drugs which weren't even under patent anymore, and which were extremely cheap, then he closed the market and made them exclusive again, as if they were indeed "brand new", despite a couple of them being almost thirty or forty years old.
    THEN he jacked up the price by hundreds of percent.
    He created an entirely artificial scarcity.


    PS: It is actually illegal (technically) to purchase most pharmaceuticals from Canada except in tiny amounts in person while IN Canada, or Mexico. One of the things the current administration is engaged in right now is an attempt to ratchet up the penalties for doing so.

    PS: What Shkreli did re those jacked up pharmaceuticals was actually 100 percent legal. He was busted for massive securities fraud, not drugs.
     
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    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Moronic conclusion. Disapproval of how the Israeli government behave is not disapproval of Jewish people in general. Even a gnat would recognize such a distinction.
     
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    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Israel didn't invent anything. One of their scientist (or scientists) did. No surprise you can't tell the difference.
     
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    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yet we keep pumping billions in their direction. What gives. It's time to tell them they need to defend themselves and spend their own money to do so.
     
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    More of god stuff and the vilification of an unspecified opponent. Egads.
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually, Israel has cost Americans $ Trillions just as of 2002(1) but at least Netanyahu has accurately characterized the true nature of the US - Israel alliance:

    Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”

    http://web.archive.org/web/20060512234448/http://www.onlinejournal.org/Special_Reports/092105Madsen/092105madsen.html


    Without the stolen US research(2) & incomparable security rendered unto Israel, it's unlikely that Israel's advances would be any different from other countries around the world.

    Re:
    Apparently, 81% of loyal Americans share your sentiments(3) with a frightening, not-so-loyal 16.8% feeling that America's resources should be spent on Israel.

    Not only does Israel have unlimited supplies of America's most advanced US weaponry to carry out their regional aggression & ethnic cleansing, somehow American troops became quietly stationed on Israeli soil with orders to "...die for Israel."(4), (5).

    I feel strongly that the same loyal 81% of Americans who oppose wasting America's $Billions on a ruthless & thankless Israeli regime also would prefer that America's G.I.s come home to help secure America's borders rather than being used as Netanyahu's pro bono cannon fodder.




    (1) "The Real Cost of US Support for Israel: $3 Trillion"

    http://www.ilaam.net/Intl/RealCostOfIsrael.html

    EXCERPT "While it is commonly reported that Israel officially receives some $3 billion every year in the form of economic aid from the U.S. government, this figure is just the tip of the iceberg. There are many billions of dollars more in hidden costs and economic losses lurking beneath the surface. A recently published economic analysis has concluded that U.S. support for the state of Israel has cost American taxpayers nearly $3 trillion ($3 million millions) in 2002 dollars."CONTINUED



    (2) "Stealing Success Tel Aviv Style"
    http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2010/01/27/stealing-success-tel-aviv-style/


    EXCERPT "That is the significant advantage that Israel has gained by systematically stealing American technology with both military and civilian applications. The US developed technology is then reverse engineered and used by the Israelis to support their own exports with considerably reduced research and development costs, giving them a huge advantage against American companies."CONTINUED


    (3) “81% of Americans Oppose $38 Billion Pledge to Israel”
    http://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2016/09/19/81-americans-oppose-38-billion-pledge-israel/

    EXCERPT “A solid majority of Americans would redirect $38 billion the Obama Administration pledged to Israel toward other priorities.

    An IRmep poll fielded by Google Consumer Surveys reveals 80.8 percent of the US adult Internet user population says they would redirect the proposed spending toward other priorities.

    - Caring for veterans (20.7 percent) was their top priority, followed by

    - education spending (20.1 percent) and

    - paying down the national debt (19.3 percent).

    - Rebuilding US infrastructure was favored by 14.9 percent, while

    - funding a Middle East peace plan received 5.8 percent of support.

    - Only 16.8 percent said the $38 billion of pledged foreign aid should be spent on Israel.”CONTINUED


    (4) "US Commander: ‘US Troops Prepared to Die for Israel’ in War against Syria, Hezbollah"
    https://www.mintpressnews.com/israe...a-harbinger-of-war-on-syria-hezbollah/238768/

    EXCERPT "In addition, Israel has been laying the groundwork for an invasion of Syria since last year and is largely responsible for the current conflict in Syria that has raged on for seven years. Israel’s current push to invade Syria is also based on flimsy evidence suggesting that Iran is establishing bases in Syria to target Israel."CONTINUED


    (5) "AMERICAN TROOPS HERE TO DEFEND ISRAEL"
    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5151907,00.html

    EXCERPT "American tactical officers take to the stage, and say they're here to defend the State of Israel and its sovereignty as if they were fighting for their own country. They say they'll do anything to defend Israel. It's moving," he said."CONTINUED
     
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    Well, yeah

    God lives, doncha know.

    And because of that so does Israel
     
  12. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not good enough. That is why I personally donate to many a worthy Israeli charity, and also causing my company to donate much more. Sorry :hug:
     
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    @Dutch

    There would probably be more and more benign cures for cancer
    if human experimentation was not so difficult to get approved.

    Bravo :applause: Trump and Right To Try rule.

    Consider the asbestos linked cancer, Mesothelioma.
    100%, 1 year mortality from the moment of diagnosis.
    Any mentally competent adult with this diagnosis
    should be allowed whatever experimental treatment offered
    don'tchyathink?
    But, Oh NOOOOoooo, in our Freedom we are protected from such free choice. :crazy:


    Moi :oldman:





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    No I don't agree. Most people are incapable of understanding science or technical information. The same idiots that think people with terminal diseases are not competant to chose suicide think somehow they are smart enough to chose alternative medical treatments.
     
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    I'm sure you'll be glad to hear this then. This took place last year.
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    WASHINGTON — President Trump signed legislation Wednesday to give terminally ill patients the ability to access experimental drugs that have not won approval from the Food and Drug Administration.

    The "right to try" measure will let patients who have exhausted other options access drugs in early stages of FDA review. Trump has frequently noted his support for the idea, most recently during his State of the Union address in January.

    "For countless patients, time is not what they have," the president said. "With the right to try, patients with life-threatening illnesses will finally have access to experimental treatments that could improve or even cure their conditions."

    Trump has sought several changes in FDA policy this year, most of which have been aimed at lowering the cost of prescription drugs or speeding their review. Hinting at the possibility of another announcement, Trump said that pharmaceutical companies would announce a “voluntary, massive” reduction in prices in coming weeks.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...perimental-drugs-terminal-patients/655954002/
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    Nanny State for @CourtJester

    For Moi, per the mesothelioma model mentioned above -

    I am told I am going to die from cancer and there is nothing approved medicine can do for me?
    What happens next should be totally up to Moi, not @CourtJester nor any Gov't entity.


    I became aware of this years ago when Steve McQueen was diagnosed with
    mesothelioma and went to Mexico for alternative treatment.
    He died anyway but, it was his way as any of us should be entitled as FREE People.


    Same for neurological cases leaving the country for stem cell treatment.
    The Quadriplegic, "Push Girl" gained use of her shoulders and upper arms.
    No longer just a head. But, she had to go to Portugal for the treatment.
    Got FREEDOM?
    Less and less!

    And second, Bravo Trump, "Right To Try"!
     
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    And do you believe that people have a right to chose suicide? ANd should they be able to choose alternative treatments even when scientifically approved treatments are available? How far are you willing to let peopke make their own decisions?
     
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    It's their life.
    Do you want somebody else to make decisions regarding your life for you?
     
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    I am not so stupid as to think that others don't already make decisions that influence my life. That said I am concerned that one of them ( currently in the White House) is a moron.
     
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    Yes! When did suicide become the topic? @CourtJester in action!

    Yes! But, not "even when . . . :blahblah:" @CourtJester going on tangents!

    Under the conditions outlined above.
    Not when approved treatments are available.

    I never said that. Why did YOU? @CourtJester in action :lol:
    Exampled were a diagnosis of Mesotheliona and certain death within a year.
    And the quadriplegic from Push Girls gaining upper arm function with foreign stem cell treatments.
    Same for "adenocarcinoma" of the pancreas. Not the Jobs or Bader kind.

    @CourtJester, what next - paraphrasing?
    Take the last word if you must. Anything intellectual - I may reply.


    My initial comment was if Human Experimentation were not so difficult
    to carry out, we would probably have Cancer Cures and HIV Vaccine today.
    Hep C would be nice too.


    For a good time and a bit tangential, look up Coley's Toxins.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coley's_toxins
    Admittedly not relevant, just to wonder at.

    Bacterial immunotherapy for the treatment of cancer has been utilized throughout history, with the earliest report in 2600 BC, by Egyptian pharaoh Imhotep who had a poultice, followed by incision, to facilitate the development of infection in the desired location and cause regression of the tumour. In 13th century, St. Peregrine experienced spontaneous regression of tumor, after the tumor became infected. In the 18th and 19th centuries, deliberate infection of tumors was a standard treatment, whereby surgical wounds were left open to facilitate the development of infection. Throughout the time period, physicians reported successful treatment of cancer by exposing the tumor to infection including the report of French physician Dussosoy who covered an ulcerated breast carcinoma with gangrenous discharge soaked cloth, resulting in disappearance of tumor.[4][5][6] Observations of a relationship between infection and cancer regression date back to at least the 18th century.

    Too natural, not patentable, so no research today!
    No research.


    Moi :oldman:


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    Large multinational corps are the freeist in out society.
    Especially big pharma, energy, and food production.
     
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    Ah, the admission of a troll type thread.

    My guess is there will be no cure to all cancers in the world in 1 yr.
     

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