Scotland could leave the UK, and join Canada instead, says author

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  1. Space_Time

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    Would this really happen? Or is this more like Canada annexing the Turks and Caicos Islands? Will Poutine and Haggis start showing up on the same menus?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39510351

    Scotland could leave the UK, and join Canada instead, says author
    6 April 2017
    From the section US & Canada e
    Ken McGooganImage copyrightBBC SPORT
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    Ken McGoogan thinks Scotland should become Canada's 11th province
    As Scotland pushes for a second referendum on independence, one man is asking the previously unthinkable - if you're going to quit the UK, why not join Canada?
    Canadian writer Ken McGoogan says the unorthodox alliance makes sense.
    "I think it would be terrific for both Scotland and Canada," he says.
    McGoogan first laid out his proposal in an opinion piece published in Canadian newspaper the Globe and Mail, where he argued that advancements in telecommunication technology and transatlantic travel have rendered pesky things like geographical boundaries "irrelevant".
    Besides, he points out, Scotland is closer to Newfoundland than Hawaii is to California.
    Last week, the Scottish Parliament voted in favour of asking the UK government to allow a legally-binding referendum on independence.
    Prime Minister Theresa May has said the vote should wait until after Brexit.
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    It's not clear what Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon makes of the idea
    Mr McGoogan says he sympathises with the angst that many Scots are feeling over Britain's decision to leave the EU.
    "The Scots aren't happy right now, and I don't think they're being treated especially well."
    Mr McGoogan says that if Scotland were to join Canada, it would enjoy a lot more independence and hold a lot more power than it currently does with Great Britain.
    Scotland would be Canada's third largest province, with 5.3 million people, which would give it significant political sway. Add to that the millions of Canadians who, like Mr McGoogan, have Scottish ancestry, and you'd have a national-ethnic bloc about 10m strong, he reasons.
    More importantly, Canadian provinces are in charge of more aspects of governance than Scotland has been afforded as part of the UK.
    Canadian provinces are in charge of their own courts, health-care, systems and educational institutions. Some provinces also have their own immigration programmes, a fact that has already piqued the interest of a number of British and Scottish MPs.
    MPs call for immigration devolution
    Voting on independence, Quebec-style
    Brexit "would never happen in Canada," Mr McGoogan argues, without the permission of all the provinces.
    But the arrangement wouldn't only benefit Scotland, he argues. By making Scotland Canada's 11th province, Canada would gain a foothold in Europe. Far from abandoning any future Scottish bid for the EU, Mr McGoogan argues that Scotland could apply to join with Canada.
    Mr McGoogan's ideas may shock some, and would certainly require years of back-and-forth negotiations with both Scotland and the UK, he readily admits.
    "This is a flight of fancy," he said. "In an ideal world, this might work really well."
    As the author of How the Scots Invented Canada and Celtic Lightning, Mr McGoogan has made a career of understanding the historic ties that bind Scotland and Canada.
    Scotland had a "major, major hand" in creating the political culture in Canada, he says, as well as its educational and banking institutions.
    More than half of Canada's prime ministers have claimed Scottish heritage, as did many other prominent figures such as Simon Fraser and James McGill.
    "The Scots have left their fingerprints all over this country," he says.
     
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  2. unbiased institute

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    Its extremely unlikely and impractical. To be honest you really wouldn't want distinctly Scottish food on the menu.
    I think the writer just offering an unusual point for view as food for thought
     
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    Ah he definitely has a point. Scots primarily emigrated to Canada and of course with the Auld Alliance possibly the longest alliance in history, we'd get on with French Canadians as well. ;)
     
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    Were Scotland to leave the UK, it's more likely they'd refrain from joining themselves to any other nation.
     
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    But I am Canadian.... and I can think of a good offer to make them......

    on certain conditions...........

    1. They move the Lia Fail from Scotland to Tara, Ireland
    2. I sign a legal agreement to do volunteerism for Scotland for one dollar per year for the next twenty years.........
    and I figure that their national debt could be paid off before the year 2030.....(G-d willing)!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/was-moses-moshe-a-brilliant-economist.428423/
     
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    You work in a lifetime supply of quality Scotch, & I'll hop the northern border to join you.
     
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    Of course Scotland will become an Independent state. The article is not serious.
     
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    Once bitten....
     
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    Here's a list of his books

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...to-find-a-new-home-in-canada/article34583830/

    I am guessing he may be of Scottish descent. However in reality of course an Independent Scotland would remain so maintaining close links with Europe which is also our history. Of course good links with Canada would also be appreciated. ;)
     
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    So Canadian expansionism creeps forward, under the guise of back bacon and donuts.

    We need to stay alert to Imperial Canada!
     
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    Moi621 has been warning you for many months that we Canadians should not be underestimated......
    Notice the video that he posts here:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-against-israel.491503/page-2#post-1067323457

    Fifteen year old Israeli has NDE and predicts 70 nations unite against Israel.

    ....
     
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    The Prophet Daniel... was the metaphorical Elijah for his time period.......
    Notice the comparison here:

    Ezekiel 28:2

    "Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

    Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:

    With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:

    By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:
    Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;
    Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.
    They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas."
     
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    I was being cheeky. I understand Daniel's Elijah similarity.
     
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    I figured you were..... and I expected that you had...... but you still set me up nicely for that reply.......
    that might just be relatively new information for ninety percent of the readers of this discussion.
     
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    I try.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "A Scottish mist will wet an Irishman to the bone!"

    That was one of my grandmothers sayings........ she was about half Scottish and nearly half Irish with some Dutch in there... so she knew whereof she spoke.....
     
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    Indeed!

    There are 2 types of weather in the area.

    Rain, & mist!
     
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    No wonder Nova Scotia means New Scotland..... we have a saying that if somebody doesn't like the weather here.... just wait fifteen minutes and it will probably change!
     
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    A lot like Wisconsin here.
     
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