Scots Begin Struggle For Independence:

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  1. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and no one is envying where England is going. Reliant on the financial sector who play the market with no conscience for their country, hopping off to make a better buck as fast they can. All England's brains are stuck in this sector as pay has risen to be 150 times higher than those in manufacturing/engineering. The die has been cast these past 30 years. The results are coming with very likely severe drop in living standards for all but those elite you mention.

    and an England which is determined to destroy her human rights while such will be incorporated into the new Scottish written Constitution.

    An England where democracy is little more than it used to be Saddam's Iraq.

    An England where the disabled, even those with terminal illness are to be taken from their beds and forced to work until they drop.

    and England where people can no longer afford to live in homes and where to live in London is considered a privileged.

    An England of riots where police on it's streets shoot those rioters resulting eventually in civil war.

    Wow! I am looking forward to Scottish Independence.
     
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    Even by Scotty standards you write good comedy material -- albeit without realising .
    Your childhood must have been rubbish .
    1. Check out your sector figures and then eat dirt .And regardless , what should a country do that has no abundant natural resources and can't do factory slave work at the cheap rates achieved elsewhere ?
    If it had not been for St Margaret we would be the 65th largest world economy by now and not seventh . ( Sure she hated you lot but that is an argument in her favour !!!)
    2.Opinion . Go independent and do what you like if you are bleating again .
    3. Hardly the basis for a discussion . You just make a general assertion . If you want to believe something glib , so be it .
    4. You either have not read the proposals or are deliberately being silly .
    That is why nobody has contributed to the Topic you raised on this matter . It is so badly presented that it simply isn't worth responding to .
    Sorry .But you invited a comment .And you now have one .
    5. Have you noticed the world recession ? Do you really think that this pattern ( absurdly overstated by you) is any different anywhere else in the industrialised world ? For starters , it is much worse in Bejing and Moscow .
    6.Arrant nonsense and if you do not know this yourself , you are very badly read .

    As for Independence .
    Go get it .
    As I frequently repeat . It will rid of us incompetent Labour Socialism forever , here in England's green and pleasant land .
     
  3. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what I gave was a very likely prognosis for England. All the things I mentioned are recent news and political thought. Your answer however, inane. I guess I hit a chord.

    My sympathies for your future.
     
  4. raymondo

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    God help us .
    Can't you do any better ?
    You lost every round and now you run away .
    " I didn't mean it was true now . But it might be true one day when pigs learn how to fly and those Gold Bar trees that I planted start to bear fruit "
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ah, I now see the picture. You do not debate. You ignored everything I said which concerned genuine political life concerning England at the present moment and came back with a load of garbage.

    I of course pointed this out.

    While you never even answered the issues I raised but only presented a load of unrelated nonsense and when I have never spoken to you before, you now claim you have won every single round as if we were boxers, when the only post I posted you entirely ignored the content of.

    Clearly I have met a troll in the Scottish Independence thread. I do hope England is not copying Israel's tactic of hiring people to write rubbish to stop intelligent talk on Scotland's future.

    The issues I said remain.
    That is England's likely future. You are welcome to it.

    I understand there is a function which can be used when people are trying to troll, whether they are paid to do so or not.
     
  6. raymondo

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    There were no points to answer .
    They were either silly statements which you choose to believe
    Or
    they were simply glib generalisations without ay support evidence of any sort .
     
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    I hate to disillusion you, but that's socialism, not in any way shape or form conservatism.
    Would that be Generals like McArthur, Patton and Fredendall?

    And what the hell has that to do with the Scottish resurgence?
     
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    quite the projectionisn

    You said
    I showed you where your elites were and where that had led you. Not my responsibility if you are unaware of recent politics in England.
     
  9. raymondo

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    It's what you might call taking the piste or gentle satire .
    It seems we have found another dour and sour Scotty who thrives on whining .
    ( The first point is actually how it is these days.But good that the Socialists have caught up!! )
     
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    Yes, that is why the EU exists, so we can all stupidly compete to no purpose. Nobody really fights any more unless it is to prevent further fighting. That is why we stopped hitting each other over the head with rocks centuries ago and the seeds of cooperation sprouted and continue to develop, because it is the only way forward for humanity.

    Current aggression is temporary. We are working toward peace on every level. Mainstream Europe doesn't fight anymore. US States don't fight. US and Canada don't fight...civilised countries try not to fight unless it is to prevent further fighting or for serious material gain which can be publicly justified as something else.

    It is perhaps natural for some people to compete, but not for all and I suspect more male than female. I used to compete when I was young and gullible. Now I don't waste time competing with people who mean absolutely nothing in my life...i.e. I grew up.

    It doesn't work your way. Who wants to live in a society like that? You have to listen to people and cater for all types. In every society there are different kinds of people who interact and perform different functions in the community. They are, or should be, equally valued.

    I'm glad someone understood something in his post. It was total gobbledegook to me after several readings.
     
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    From what I've seen on this thread, it's the non-Scots who are doing all the whining. But then, everybody needs a hobby...........
     
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    Clearly you have a lot of catching up to do .
    I can only speak for myself . I have never whined in my life but I suspect that the only whining you hear from the English concerns the length of time it has taken for us to have a real opportunity of losing them .
     
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    You've never whined in your life? Let me say to that, what Andrew Lansley's Mum said to him during their catch up yesterday...

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkDunmqoRYM"]Andrew Lansley Faces Campaigners Angry Over NHS Reforms - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    What a coarse and vulgar little Troll woman.
    I hope Andy sends round one of his mates in a day or two to give her a good kicking .
     
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    Basques want to be annexed to Scotland!! :thumbsup:

    http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/affairs-scotland/4388-free-euskotland
     
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    And you my friend are obviously a product of your environment...I rest my case!

    Regards
    Highlander
     
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    Yet on another thread I am arguing with a Nationalists who supports imprisonment without trial for the crime of being Muslim. who criticises the British government for releasing someone they have held for many years without giving them a fair trial.

    I am wondering who's vision of a future Scotland would be more accurate and given the nature of nationalism I fear for the worst.
     
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    What the hell does that have to do with Scottish Independence? You, being a British Nationalist wrongly try to put BNP values onto the Scottish people. You do anything you can to smear the Scottish people. You have done this again and again. You have even admitted you have done this as you are wanting to take for Westminster the rest of Scotland's oil - not being happy that the revenue from this oil was used to make Scottish people redundant rather than investing in Industry, engineering and manufacturing. No, instead the Westminster use of the oil was to sell the whole of the UK to Global markets resulting in yet another Scottish clearance.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy9GmieAEaQ[/ame]

    Scottish Muslims find it far more easy to integrate into Scotland and to feel Scottish than Muslims do in England with the BNP the EDL etc.

    Keep you nasty British Nationalism to yourself.

    Flame after flame. Lie after lie.

    What you can never do is say the truth.
     
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    I think you just answered my question.

    I tried to enter into a logical debate and you just respond with personal attacks and racist propaganda.

    Back in the 1960s I was in a mill town in the north of England, we had a large immigrant population which British people would talk about, talk about Pakis coming over here and taking our jobs criticising them for not being British. The sad part is if you had suggested to any of them they were racist they would be appalled, "I'm not racist they would say, some of my best friends are Coons", meaning of course that they say good morning to the coloured person who cleans the lavatories. If it came down to a coloured person buying a house on their street they would be manning the barricades like a shot.

    I'm seeing the same in Scotland now as I saw in Bradford then.
     
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    No, just another attempt, this time hearsay about English racists and trying to present it as if that is Scotland.

    You know nothing about Scotland. We have far better integration than you have in England. You will also find that the Scottish written constitution when it comes out contains rights to protect all her people. I have seen the draft. England does not even have a written constitution and the Conservative Government have made clear their intention to opt out of EUHR. You are looking in the wrong place. The mirror is where you should be looking for what you are saying.


    flame upon flame, lie upon lie.
     
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    Too heavy for you?
     
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    My sympathies , fred .
    Whenever we post anything that disagrees with their frozen mind preconceptions , they move into hysteria mode and start yelling , Flamer , Troll , lies .
    Of course it is rampant in Scotland , along with disgusting inter faith intolerance --- see Celtic versus Rangers pitched battles .
    Are they asking us to believe that the little racist bugs can't jump over Hadrians wall , or , alternatively , Scotty people take a special injection which prevents Racism and intolerance ever entering their minds and souls .
    It's laughable .
    By all means be proud of your country and extol those things that are successes , but please don't fly into fancy land Alex.
     
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    Lonsdale youth from Scotland...a problem in Raymondo's fantasy land.
     
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    You will have to expand on this to give it meaning .
    I would think you know that the so called Lonsdale Youth groups are hard core Nazi gangs found principally in Holland and Germany . I can't figure out any Scotty connection or a reason for the use of the word "fantasy" , when they exist all over the place on Continental Europe .
    Or are you telling us that you are a member?
     
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