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This is the biggest and best argument for complete separation .
Namely , the Scots make appalling neighbours . Because of their aggressive stance and anger management issues , we can never trust them or leave them alone with English babies .

 

I’ve never worn a mask and it’s clear that Salmond’s plan is based on emotion, as confirmed by his attitude to so many things, especially to the currency he plans to use. As for what’s good for any country is dependent on who you believe and not all Scots support Salmond's separation plan. And if Scotland has long since moved on from its hatred of the English then it appears you have some catching up to do.

‘England’ didn’t destroy the economy of Scotland at all. In no particular order: the policies of previous governments (in part dominated by Scots as you have said), the EU in refusing permission for state subsidies, the unions, and simple economics have done that. You must have noticed that we now compete with countries that have much less red tape and much lower manufacturing costs?

Yes I saw it, but I still don’t see the point of bringing up 'narrow nationalism' unless for a Strawman argument, but never mind.

Salmond plans to use sterling, so he must think it’s best for Scotland and I know you trust him to do what’s right for Scotland, but other Scots disagree.

No, you just implied that they should when you said, “as to England setting interest rates to suit Scotland, I am sure there is a risk of England deliberately deploying tactics which assist England's economic recovery at the expense of neighbouring countries. That has been known to happen before in economics and it is certainly not beneath England in times like these.” So again, why should England not help its own recovery as best it can? Why should it consider a neighbouring country that chooses to separate itself?

Because you imply that ‘England’ has ruined Scotland. The UK would still have a large hand in Scotland’s monetary policy if Scotland continues to use sterling, so why risk it? I’m sure you could arrange your own economic affairs with your own currency.

You might not have realised by far the greater share of the “English” disease is due to Scottish banks. Alex Salmond even congratulated, Scottish born and bred, Sir Fred Goodwin on the deal that tipped the Royal Bank of Scotland over the abyss. Scots can’t wriggle out of the responsibility for the banking crisis, so don’t try telling me that England does nothing for Scotland because English tax payers have the bills to prove it. Then of course there's the Scottish Gordon Brown who well and truly ditched Prudence and ensured that English children will be paying for his folly for years to come. And tell the English pensioner who is told that she cannot have free personal care because we don’t have the money when her Scottish cousin does (and of course free prescriptions too) that the England does nothing for Scotland. See opinions differ on that too!

How should I know what Salmond thinks! You’re one of his supporters, so shouldn’t you know a lot more about what his plans are? If not, your trust in him is deeper than any politician deserves. He has a lot of work to do before the referendum takes place.

 

My, my, what a regular little vigilante you are!

 

Just trying to collect on a blood debt. There is so much accrued interest and unpaid principal that I have made very little progress in the collection process. But not to fear, my boys will continue to collect long after I'm gone. The sins of your fathers will be visited upon your children.

 

OK, I'll bite. What's the "blood debt" and who are you trying to collect it from?

And are you American btw?

 

The EU Parliament is in Strasbourg (France) - but they are so wasteful & corrupt with other people's money that they have a second Parliament in Brussels too. They like to share their time between the two...

 

I'm very confident you are correct. A lot of people hear in Scotland now realise their mistake.

 

She ain't no English whore...she's a long gone Irish girl:


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We do know. People fought on the UK side for political reasons which affected UK history, still affect Scottish politics and society today and may influence the outcome of the referendum.

Religious bigotry still prevails, based on ignorant racism for some i.e. in Northern Ireland, but rooted centuries back when people split from Roman Catholicism. They did not want the country effectively ruled from Rome, by Priests who did not prioritise the country's best interests. They then did not want the country ruled by a Catholic monarch and executed Charles 1st because of religion. They also ejected his son James for the same reason. That is what the civil wars were about. Ask Bonnie Prince Charlie.

It's a lot more complex than that, but that is the gist and religious bigots are still unionist today and some are very bitter unionist. Because they're not very bright, they can't grasp Westminster is no better than Rome, although that has improved in the past 20 years, to the horror of England.

We've been dealing with their crap for 2000 years.

You can certainly never leave us alone. Study the record of your national football fans for a fair portrayal of which nationality is habitually mindlessly aggressive, while fans of the other nationality are welcome anywhere. (GIRUY)

Oh you wore it to try to bait your trap, obvious as an herd of elephants coming over the horizon.

None of that is accurate as I already posted, waste of time repeating it again. And again.

I notice the area where I lived was a thriving industrial hub and now it is a thriving hub of unemployment and drug culture. But it's worse than that. Much worse. Think back to those days. When Snatcher came into power, I was very young. When I reached the age of socialising, there was 1 place in the town where drugs might be encountered and nobody went there. Remember the banning of the Starsky and Hutch episode where the evil drug dealer kidnapped poor Hutch and addicted him to heroin or some such? A reflection of the national identity and determination to defend it from the threat of drugs. There were no drugs here.

So what happened? Snatcher snatched the customs people who prevented drugs and created an "improved" system. Even you can't deny that system has resulted in UK being completely flooded by drugs. It is disastrous and entirely a Tory induced national disaster. Not only was the economy here destroyed and industry completely destroyed, that wasn't enough for her, the community was also destroyed. Unless you consider income from the sale of illegal drugs to be boosting the economy.

You didn't and I don't.

So what?

I've explained this twice. If you can't grasp it, at least shut up about it.

I'm sure you would like to see that kind of stupidity arise, but further evidence that emotive arguments are not involved.

There are plenty of countries which share currency. It's nothing new or unusual.

Why are you against it?

Good old Gordon, for that alone I salute him.

Now you and your poor countrymen were more than happy with RBS when it was providing the biggest income UK had and when it returns to that status, you remember you want nothing to do with RBS.

As with the UK union, it's fine when you're getting what you perceive to be the upper hand, but the minute you're asked to put your back into it.the union's a liability and everything should change immediately. Because it's ok for the other 3 countries, but the rain can't rain on England.

Chickens....home to roost

If you want to debate a point, lay it out, do your own legwork.

As to being a Salmond supporter, I'm blue in the face telling you I support his cause to escape the UK. When that is done, I will reassess SNP policies to decide if they are worth supporting in the long term. I don't have an attachment to Eck, per se. He is plainly streets ahead of any other politician in UK at the moment and his aim coincides with mine.

I'm very confident (because I read it yesterday) the latest poll shows a lot of people in Scotland now realise Cameron is an arrogant, interfering, overbearing twit and they have therefore declared in favour of independence.

 

There is one argument for separation --- tow the country into the middle of the Atlantic for , all I care --- that makes everything else pale into insignificance .
Until it was mentioned in another thread , the penny had not personally dropped .
The Conservatives have one Scotty MP . Labour apparently has 41 .
If Scotty Land was separate there would probably never again be a Labour Government .
What a dream !!
What an incentive !!
Divine Intervention .
Salmon Man , you are my Hero , starting now .

 

Not a chance dear! Independence will not happen in your life-time guaranteed. Its just a pity we are being forced to wait for some anniversary of some battle 100's of years ago that the fat-faced baffon Salmond hopes will sway the balance for a section of simpltons.

The over-weight Salmond - who thinks patting himself on the back counts as physical exercise is embarrassing himself and Scotland with his little temper tamtrums and feeble attempts to make any anti-Tory feelings into an Independence issue.

When it comes to the days after the referendum poll - I won't expect to see you on this forum for a while. LOL

 

Scotty people always react badly in the presence of class and style --- you can guess why .( Usual background --- poverty , poor schooling , low esteem , alcohol , no job , ridicule and hidden jealousy . Plus more hidden jealousy. And then there is hidden jealousy . But never forget , hidden jealousy ). Just a passing thought .
Long may they all believe that our good looking , virile and young team of David and Gorgeous George are twits .
If this gets votes for Alex , we win because we lose Scotland and the Labour Party .
Not many people can say they have been that lucky in life and done so much to Keep Britain Tidy .

 

Indeed, I know it.

What I cannot stomach is unelected employees making decisions for the people who pay their salaries while MEP,s go on junkets and merely rubber stamp the policies introduced by people with their own agendas.

 

Do they call you Bullet? ..If you have just twigged that Labour can't manage without the Scottish vote, you're not paying attention.

Yes, yes, Loony and SNP would never gain power. Oh here, it has and by a greater margin than was thought possible (by you).

If the majority of Scots vote against independence, who am I to disagree? That is how a good community functions, we respect the vote. But the issue will not die and cannot be allowed to, even if the vote happens to go against it. It is the best future for the country and cannot be allowed to go unactioned.

Carry on now.

Dearie me Ray, schoolboy trolling? The jealousy is working in the other direction...

 

I too am confident.....Like the sodomite you purport to support.....its not our mistake!

Regards
Highlander

 

I've just recently (as in 30 mins ago) joined this forum, but already this lunecat person is making me laugh. Is this really the best the 'No to independence' camp has to offer? Carry on like this Sir and it most certainly will become a reality in your lifetime. Here's my response to a lunecat comment on another thread (before I noticed this one):

Most supporters are full of Braveheart cliches?? That's precisely the kind of condescending crap that makes people in Scotland support independence. Do you really think that is genuinely the main thrust of independence? Really? Well, I suggest you do a bit more research rather than believe what the Daily Mail, BBC and David Cameron want you to believe.

Arrogance and ignorance - the two most hated traits by the Scots. You'd do well to remember that before you launch into your next bout of textual diarrhoea.

Have a lovely evening.

 

Wonderful song. Pointless post.

 

Viv, you need to visit an optician.

Ok, I’ll concede that my opinions are no more factual than yours are. No doubt I’ll need to repeat that, again and again.

As I said at the end of December: “You can forget that one too! Industries all over the Western world are in decline as they are moved to countries where the costs are lower, helped on their way by anti-state aid legislation from the EU that Thatcher was only too pleased to support ... until she realised that not every member state was as keen. Blaming Thatcher for drug abuse is really desperate”. Can we move on or is drug abuse all over the West Thatcher's fault?

So do YOU agree with Salmond in his preference for sterling? Or are you happy to support anything he wants because your aim coincides with his?

I thought your explanation was flippant. Obviously you don’t want to take it any further and that’s ok.

No, I wouldn’t like to see UK involvement in Scotland’s affairs if Scotland votes for a separation, but Scotland does need to vote that way if it doesn't want UK involvement in its affairs. Devo Max won’t suit us.

Only countries willing to cede control of their macroeconomic policy make for successful currency unions and then only if the stronger countries are willing to financially support the weaker ones. It’s doubtful that would suit Scotland whichever position it was in.

For putting the UK in deep debt that English children will be paying back? With an attitude like that, it’s hardly surprising that so many English people want England to separate from the UK COMPLETELY.

But I would have let the banks fail, including RBS, HBOS and the rest. That’s capitalism! I don’t believe any business is too big to fail. Were you in favour of using public funds to support them? What’s your source for RBS being the biggest earner? I understood it was BP. And if RBS returns to "that status" I would hope it would return UK taxpayers cash so I'll be happy to have nothing to do with it.

When did we (I presume you mean the English) ever have the upper hand? I've never perceived it that way. The SE of England is the most successful region and we work as hard as anyone. When did we ever NOT put our backs into it?! And it’s you who thinks the union’s a liability.

It’s not my point! It’s Alex Salmond’s.

Oh please, you are quite clearly a Salmond supporter by your own admission ... you think he’s “plainly streets ahead of any other politician”! We can all say we only support XY or Z until we reassess. That's why we have periodic elections.

In no way do I disagree with anyone who says that Cameron is an arrogant, interfering, overbearing twit (though 'twit' is far too lenient) and I could add a few more derogatory descriptions. But as for the referendum, that’s not what it says here. The report says Salmond has a "mountain" to climb, and the poll's from earlier this week. Do you have another recent poll to support your view?

 

You will have to excuse my reluctance in answering your question seeking personal information.

 

Why it it so difficult to teach youngsters how to see things as they truly are and make mature , balanced judgements ?

 

I only wanted to know if you were one of millions in order to try to understand something of your motives for attacking the British. Not to worry, I'll just bare your reluctance to reveal you own nationality the next time you attack in this way.

 

Who do you mean? Who isn't making balanced judgements? And which judgements are not mature and balanced?

 

That one is - like so many - an 'Irish patriot' who knows almost nothing of Ireland or Irish history except the memories of drunken and confused ancestors who didn't know a lot in the first place.

 

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