Scots Begin Struggle For Independence:

Dunno. Seemed to me connected. Why?

 

Anoter pointless point sans wonderful song, then.

 

My previous communications with Alberto Ignoro suggested my comment, and I am ill-prepared to trudge though page after page of American loquacity. If I missed some vital point, put it where the squirrel keeps its nuts and forget it.

 

It's all about me ain't it gang?

 

I'm to tired to respond and will be for some time, so...yes, the latest poll shows 51% of Scots in favour of independence.

 

.......wait until you read the US threads...

Ray Ray Ray of sunshine. Can we talk about how to separate a quote? I wrote most of that and even I can't read it now you've edited.

If you want to quote someone and break the quote up to comment in the middle of the text...quote it and then.... to close the quote and separate it from the next part, just type the word quote. Then put this slash / in front of the word quote. Then put brackets around your /quote. The brackets must be the square ones []. I can't show you, or it may muck up my post (like yours are mucked up) but it will look like this without the spaces within the brackets: [/ quote ]

Then to enclose the next part of the quote, type the world quote in front of it and put it inside []....i.e. [ quote ] without the spaces.

Type [ quote] to open a quote and type [ /quote] to close it. Then repeat that where you want to separate the next part.

Any questions?

 

Any links you could ping me to Viv, I'm intrigued! Still finding my way around, but to be honest, I can't really be arsed trailing through every thread!!

Early observations about the forum...... A lot of excellent points, well made, on all sides of each debate..... but a fair amount of muppets too!!

Anyway, back on topic.....

 

It's an huge forum, nobody reads all the threads. That is the beauty of it, it's so big you can just dip in and out and there is almost always a response.

Are you for independence or against? Come on, show yourself. But don't give too much away, they're waiting with their sharp knives behind their backs...

 

@ Viv... 100% for independence. I'll lay out my thoughts when I have a proper keyboard in front of me. I'll be here for hours typing if I don't

 

Oh, and bring on those knives

 

You needn't worry about the Scots. They are all over the place just like Jews.
Do you want me to solve the world's problems or give you a good conversation over a beaker of Wild Turkey?

 

Brilliant . Another vote for our superb Mister Cameron .

 

My own fan club! But what are you saying yourself or have you just come hear to vent spleen? Buck up.

 

Don't worry about replying on my account Viv.

Is this the latest poll? It asked 180 people in Scotland if they thought Scotland should be an indpendent country. As Professor John Curtice, of Strathclyde University, said the sample size meant the poll was “interesting” but nevertheless only “a straw in the wind”. Very different results to the larger sample in my link.

I thought you left wingers hated the Express anyway, with the owner making his money from a porn empire?

 

Irony? You don't really think Cameron is any good, let alone 'brilliant' do you?

 

I'd put a few quid on a 'NO' there.

 

Here's a shocker for you. I don't read newspapers. Except the Metro, as I commute.

It's easy to see emotional connection to Thatcher and her disingenuous methods, in how you use information out of context, move goalposts and distort facts. They polled over 2000 people across the UK and the Scottish sample are a cross section of society. They won't ask every one of us personally for a poll - that's why we need a referendum.

Hopefully the vote will be as decisive as the last Scottish election vote (which even you can't dismiss as "something like a damp squib") and your mob will not interfere with or deny the outcome this time.

 

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/01/torture-cover-up/
Not at all......we detest degenerates.....to whom you are so pleased to elect!
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/01/scotlandengland-maritime-boundaries/

Is this ignorance a lack of education or is it deserved!


We on the other hand believe in addressing the issues and forwarding a remedy!

Roll on 2014!

Regards
and my sympathy!

Highlander

 

I'm not shocked that you don't read newspapers, crap source of serious news that they are. I'm just surprised at you citing an opinion poll commissioned by one of them, and a tabloid like the Express at that!

How did I use any information out of context, move goalposts, use disengenous methods or distort facts? Playing dense really doesn't suit you. The polling company polled 180 people in Scotland, and it's only people in Scotland who matter in this context as only they will participate in the referendum. Obviously they aren't going to ask everyone in Scotland - that would be a referendum, albeit an unofficial one, and a phenomenally expensive one at that. 180 people simply isn't considered a reliable sample size by most observers and the findings are at odds with other larger polls.

My "mob" are in no position to interfere, nor do they wish to, nor would I even want them to and it was a Scottish uni academic who pronounced your poll a "straw in the wind" not me. I too hope the poll is decisive one way or the other, but you keep telling yourself that most Scots want a separation - it seems to make you happy.

 

Just on a point of general principle, all peoples are better NOT being dominated by a foreign majority who neither understand them or like them very much. Only centuries of brainwashing make it possible. We have the same problem in spades.

 

The title of this particular thread is rather misleading.

The majority of Scotland hasn't been struggling for independence at all. Let's be honest , here. It's rather that a small minority of Scots have been struggling to convince the rest of the country that independence is a good thing to aim for and have now, because of the last disastrous Labour government, have been the given the opportunity to push their agenda .


Like a lot of Brits born and bred south of the border, there are times when I hope to god Salmond gets his way and Scotland is finally off our backs once and for all, but that doesn't last because it isn't fair.

I personally believe the vote will go against it and Salmond probably knows it, which is why he's holding the referendum in 2014, the 700th anniversary of Bannockburn.

I'm sure the anniversary will raise enough patriotic fervour to swing the vote enough so Salmond doesn't look a total loser.

I hope that of Scotland does vote for independence it's for the right reasons and not because enough people have been fired up with the idea of throwing off the shackles of an oppressive tyrannical nation, which would be criminally stupid.

 

Being part of the UK and having to listen to English reactionaries pontificating is becoming terminally boring. Some of us - alas - have come to regard it as part of the weather and just switch off, but younger people sometimes listen, which is what will do for this absurd Union. It is grotesque.

 

You found excellent points well made in this thread which will make anybody but the already convinced that the Union is worth maintaining?

Where?

Or any in this thread http://www.politicalforum.com/latest-world-news/226856-i-hope-my-countrymen-have-courage.html......which has been closed after 500+ posts and not one word of discussion of the benefits to Scotland in continuing the Union......but a heckuva lot of insults, sneering, misinformation, veiled, and not so veiled, threats as to consequences which will be visited on us by the Westminster government..plus downright lies.

If you are looking for excellent points well made on all sides of each debate, and actual discussion, it would be easier to give you a list of subjects, or even whole forums, to avoid!

 

Perhaps the Scotties should spend less time taxing their brains and try and improve their Rugby -- the national sport where they never win .
England sent a new and inexperienced team to visit them today and administered a good hiding .
A bit like the good old days .

 

Actually, you are promulgating a myth produced by the media......and started by the Union voice in Scotland......the BBC.

In 2007, Alex Salmond sent a 3 line long letter to Fred the Shred saying he wished him good luck in his bid to acquire Dutch bank ABN Amro and said that it was in Scotland’s interest for RBS to be successful. Can't see anything wrong with that as things stood at the time...can you? No congratulations at all, except maybe, along with all other politicians, congratulations on the knighthood he was given by Labour......and, despite all the ranting headlines.....no expression of regrets for any of it either.

Everybody and his dog was lining up to endorse Fred..does that mean they all have to bear responsibility because nobody could foresee the economy going tits up?

Politicians of all parties courted him when he was brought in to RBS to make it a global player. They practically cheered on his appointment (Though not as much as those of us working for the Clydesdale Bank cheered when the arrogant prick was headhunted away from us.....believe me!)

Given it was a UK Government which founded the RB of S after the Union and a UK Government which removed all regulation hard on the heels of America doing the same, what responsibility does Scotland and particularly the SNP bear, anyway? After all, B of S and RB of S are Scottish in name only.......it certainly wasn't Scotland which pocketed the taxes raked in over the years, was it? Scotland, in fact, had only 5% of the company holdings and business interests in Scotland....far more of the problematic parts were actually in London and elsewhere.

You could very easily have had exactly the same as Scotland........if you had ever bothered to agitate for it....but the English has always assumed that there was no need because Westminster has always been, after all, just the English Parliament with a few non-English MPs added. So don't blame the Scots because England has elected for the last thirty odd years right wing Governments which wouldn't recognise an even vaguely social democratic policy if it jumped up and bit them in the arse.

You could of course, always have wandered up and joined the half million or so of your compatriots here, if you were actually that bothered.