Scots Begin Struggle For Independence:

He was dim, not a con-man, Sais Bach. Ond diolch, wrth cwrs.

 

I say KUDOS to anyone who wants independence from those who hold thm in bondage. I support any and all who seek their independence. I wish tem complete and total success.

 

Just rememeber only a minority of Scots (according to current polls) want Independence. So please don;t make the mistake if thinking that a member or two posts a thread claiming that "the Scots" begin anything.

The Union will be maintained. And fatty Salmond the con-man will be sent to political winderness ....

 

To develop self-respect takes time if yove been treated like a doormat. I'm glad the Scots are getting started. After the centuries of colonialism we've suffered it will take longer. Some of the simpletons believe we might get some to the stolen goods back. Some hope! And before the propaganda starts, we lose hugely by the Barnett formula.

 

Problem with this current state of scottish indepenance. It is hysterical. I remmeber asking pro independance scots on here, what is the plan after seperate. The Eu? or going it alone. Not a clue.

Now it seems they want their cake and eat it to. To carry on this indepenance crusade while not cutting the money ties with the mainland.

 

Which current polls? The last I saw, majority does indeed support independence.

The thing that amazes me is the number of ignorant twits who insist on repeatedly posting banal rubbish implying anyone who supports the independence agenda is either watching too much Braveheart or intellectually challenged. The number of people who voted SNP in the last election is not just down to a temporary war or anti-Tory sentiment. It is a change in the culture. And as you must know, Loony, Scottish people are anything but daft. They won't make a decision like that lightly. They are actually afraid to leave the UK in case it is detrimental, so the strength of opinion will have to far outweigh any doubt if they do decide to vote in favour of independence because they really don't want to take any risks with the economy.

I absolutely believe they are considering this long and hard and Salmond is right not to hurry the debate, because we will be a long time sore and sorry if we jump the wrong way. People need all possible information and for the conditions to be fully explored and every contingency considered before anyone is asked to vote on the long term future of the UK.

 

It might come to that eventually, if the snp dont calm down.

The politicians on the evening news in full kilts shouting proudly "It's all for nothing, if you don't have freedom!"

 

Yes, in your mind only. Zod off.

 

I am being sarcastic, in the view. The hysterics of the snp and their supporters with obsessed views to independance. It does need to calm and be more rational.

 

If I thought for one minute you knew anything at all about the approach of the SNP and their supporters, I would be very surprised to read your inaccurate unfactual comments.

 

From what i seen on the bbc, daily mail, yes i do read it. The snp do appear to be out of control on this subject.

 

Based on your comments in this thread and others, I can believe you read the Mail, but it's unlikely you study the BBC.

Now out of control how? With respect to which subject specifically?

 

No need for the insults, i can return the favour and say just as disrespectfully. That scottish people like you are lost in petty hate towards the english. No amount of weak justifications can hide it.

 

There is no requirement to justify something which does not exist, as there is no requirement to debate people who make unfounded comments.

SNP has a policy regarding EU membership, btw. If you ever read the Mail or BBC I am sure you will read it there.

If there is any truth in your comment that some random posters claiming to be SNP supporters happened not to know SNP current policy, how does that make SNP out of control? People talking on a forum do no represent SNP or Scotland as a whole.

 

I was right originally in my view, the snp and supporters are hysterical. You have proved this by your insulting behaviour. Which continues. It is no wonder the so called scottish indepenance is not taken seriously. The scots like you who do support it, are very childish with no foresight.

 

And non-Scots like you who insult SNP and the support for independence for no good reason and yet become hysterical and are unable to respond when asked for actual examples of the failings you loudly assert...are misguided at best.

What such people need to realise is this. Braveheart and such rubbish are not what Scotland or Scots are about. Braveheart is not accurate to Scottish history, it is a story.

The independence issue is real life to us, not a silly Mel Gibson film. Scottish people are not going to vote in a referendum on the most serious political issue in living history and for centuries before...based on fictional emotional myths written by some Hollywood non-entity. Nor will they waste their vote on some imagined non-existent hate for a country nobody here even cares about. Dislike of England is a very, very minor issue in this debate.

It is inflammatory and insulting to read thread after thread of supercilious, smug non-Scottish trolls asserting that any people could be so stupid as to risk the entire economy and security of their own country for stupid reasons like revenge on a country we care nothing about, when it is obvious the same trolls have no clue about Scottish politics or history and are speaking based on uninformed presumptions. Believe it, facts will determine how people vote in this referendum.

 

Hear, hear, Viv! Well said!

 

Viv,

I made one sarcastic comment, which is my nature and you turned insutling. As for your views with scotland?

You seem far too excitable for me to carry on with this. I might at another time.

 

Shame that our nature is no longer to take sh1t from anyone, however they try to disguise it as anything other than the insult it was perceived to be.

Come back when you have something sensible to say.......like just one reason why we would want to stay in this Union. Just one!

It doesn't have to be a good reason.....but it would be less liable to attract what you term "an excitable" response if it didn't include "too stupid", "too poor", "too small", "too weak", "parochial", "whining, whinging scots", "extremists", "narrow neo-fascists" and other such pejorative terms so often used in any "discussion" on Scottish Independence.

 

Dont take forums so seriously, unless you are really this joyless?

 

I wasn't until I came across this place!

 

I am sure it's water off your back , Zod!!!
But you are right . They are without humour and have not thought details through .
Take the popular position and simply let them do what they want -- as long as we crack down hard on them and only allow them financial charity , if and when it is in our long term interest .
No bail outs for second rate performance , or subs for having such a troubled history . And no Scotty Constituency MPs sitting in our Parliament .
And , as I have said twice before in this thread , let's hope they vote for Independence , with the wonderful consequence of us then not having to ever face the ghastly prospect of seeing the Labour party holding any real power in Albion , ever again .
What is an Englishman if he is not Conservative in terms of goals , courageous and honourable in deeds and a veritable Solomon for everybody needing help and attention ?

 

Aye right enough......your lot seem to be handing out charity, by the bomb full in Syria at this moment in time!
Since when is courage found in the gutter life of your parliament? Who can you hold to account?
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/02/the-non-investigation-who-was-werritty/

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/02/know-your-limits-syria/
A bunch of rogues and sodomites!

Honour.....the word bollocks comes readily to mind!

Your kind of handed out help and attention....cost too many innocent civlian women and children's lives!

Highlander

 

Adam Werritty is a Scot, he's from Kirkaldy.

Liam Fox is a Scot too, he's from East Kilbride.

 

Forgetting the previous post from Fred , high landering the crass error you made --- and also remember, an orchard is made up of many apples .
I am not sure the complexities of the Syrian war are really germane to this Topic .
I shall simply record that you are content that Basher massacres civilians . Presumably your message to him is " Carry on Massacring women and children . You are upholding the law splendidly" .
Interesting .