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SCOTUS: Gay Marriage Case Update

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by TheImmortal, Apr 28, 2015.

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  1. ProgressivePatriot

    ProgressivePatriot Well-Known Member

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    If all of those arguments are failing, if they are all so weak, why are the anti equality people loosing so badly in court and in the public debate?
     
    ProgressivePatriot, Jun 21, 2015
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    AtsamattaU Well-Known Member

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    They're great for manipulating public opinion within the Twitterverse. They've worked at some state and federal courts, not in others, but it still seems like a long shot at the level of the Supreme Court.
     
    AtsamattaU, Jun 21, 2015
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  3. ProgressivePatriot

    ProgressivePatriot Well-Known Member

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    Dream on bro. Try about 65 federal and state courts.
     
    ProgressivePatriot, Jun 21, 2015
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  4. rahl

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    Huh? Procreation is entirely irrelevant.
     
    rahl, Jun 21, 2015
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  5. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Marriage has nothing to do with biology. Explain how that argument fails. Dogs have puppies but they don't get married.
     
    Polydectes, Jun 22, 2015
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    AtsamattaU Well-Known Member

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    It has everything to do with the states' original public interest in marriage.
     
    AtsamattaU, Jun 22, 2015
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    AtsamattaU Well-Known Member

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    If you want to rationalize human social constructs by comparing them to the behavior of dogs then you won't accept any explanation I can offer.
     
    AtsamattaU, Jun 22, 2015
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    No it doesn't. If you could demonstrate that a requirement existed for the ability to procreate in order to marry you'd have a point.
     
    rahl, Jun 22, 2015
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  9. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    FYI: some court announcements in about 5 min or so, don't know which decisions will be announced.

    Live SOTUS blog.

    http://www.scotusblog.com/
     
    Hoosier8, Jun 22, 2015
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  10. Polydectes

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    I was comparing two different species that reproduce sexually. Our biology is similar

    If you have to rely on misrepresentation of my statement to excuse your inability to make a rational argument, than I effectively silenced you. You blame it on me butthat seems to be more of an effort to save face.


    If you have a rational argument make it. If it is defeated by comparing a similar biological process between two species that reproduce sexually. Than you should just concede defeat.
     
    Polydectes, Jun 22, 2015
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nothing today on this or the ACA so Thursday it is.
     
    Hoosier8, Jun 22, 2015
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    Excellent point.He says every argument I have made fails but has failed to explain.

    I
     
    Polydectes, Jun 22, 2015
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    DON'T LISTEN TO SAME-SEX MARRIAGE FOES: IT WAS ALWAYS ABOUT HATING ON THE GAYS

    HTTP://THEUSCONSTITUTION.ORG/NEWS/DONT-LISTEN-SAME-SEX-MARRIAGE-FOES-IT-WAS-ALWAYS-ABOUT-HATING-GAYS

    Talking Points Memo
    Thursday, June 18, 2015
    By TIERNEY SNEED

    SELECTED EXCERPTS:

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    [QUOTE]"The states’ arguments don’t pass the straight face test, no pun intended," Judith Schaeffer, vice president of Constitutional Accountability Center, a D.C.-based legal organization, said in an interview with TPM. "These are ridiculous arguments that are being made to cover up the fact that these discriminatory laws are motivated by a desire to keep gay people out of this important legal relationship."

    [/QUOTE]

    :steamed::steamed::steamed:
     
    ProgressivePatriot, Jun 23, 2015
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    Yeppers. Especially when that animus comes straight from the horse's mouth - an amendment's co-author - who tells you it's about ensuring that homosexuality never obtains a legal or social status.

    Which isn't to say that all voters acted out of animus; to a certain extent they were misled by those pushing the amendments as to their real purpose.
     
    Perriquine, Jun 23, 2015
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    :roflol:
     
    yguy, Jun 24, 2015
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    Plus, this simply looks like what it is....a bunch of Republicans trying to pass a law they KNOW will fail...either in the legislature or the courts....

    to pander to the GOP's Social Conservatives on the eve of a SCOTUS decision they know is going to go against those Social Cons.

    Sort of like on abortion....where the GOP promises the "pro-lifers" they'll "end abortion".....pass a law or restriction KNOWING it will get veto'ed or overturned by the Courts....

    then come back 2-4 years later and tell the gullible "pro-lifers" "Vote for us again...we promise that NEXT time, we'll ban abortion."

    Been happening for 35+ years now...and the "pro-lifers" keep falling for it.
     
    Gorn Captain, Jun 24, 2015
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    It's where the "procreation" or "potential for procreation" homophobes get tripped up in their argument.

    IF they were CONSISTANT (naturally they're not)...they would ALSO oppose marriages between a man....and a woman who has had a hysterectomy.

    Ask them that, and watch the contradictory rhetorical back-flips and somersaults begin. :)
     
    Gorn Captain, Jun 24, 2015
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    Well, sort of. Laws nibbling away at abortion rights have been making steady progress in eroding those rights. The battle is fought on many fronts, from unreasonable time-of-pregnancy restrictions, to unreasonable physician requirements, to unreasonable abortion clinic building codes, to unreasonable clinic location restrictions, to unreasonable levels of approval by those not involved, to unreasonable waiting periods, to unaffordable "health checks", the right to abortion is gradually being lost. The left tried useing this same strategy to get rid of guns by making them impossibly expensive to manufacture, to drive the manufacturer out of business.

    I think there is now one (1) clinic in Mississippi, unless they closed that one down. There are currently 3 in Alabama, but at least one of them just had some bill passed requiring it to relocate while ensuring that no acceptable location existed. Fanaticism never sleeps.
     
    Flintc, Jun 24, 2015
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    Not when the purpose is discouraging procreation outside of marriage, as opposed to encouraging procreation. My ex wife took birth control pills for years to prevent pregnancy, only to find out in her second marriage, that she never had the ability to procreate. And yet STILL Drs prescribe heterosexual women birth control pills because of their potential of procreation. The fact that she never had that potential, doesnt change that fact. Drs arent concerned with infertile women who dont want to get pregnant, taking birth control pills. They are concerned with fertile women who dont want to get pregnant, not doing so.
     
    dixon76710, Jun 24, 2015
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    Plenty of Doctors prescribe birth control pills for the effect of better regulating a woman's period, even when those women are infertile.
     
    /dev/null, Jun 24, 2015
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    Tomorrow should be the day that the decision is announced.
     
    Hoosier8, Jun 24, 2015
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    I'm pretty sure you're right about that. It's been a long haul here at PF.
     
    Colombine, Jun 25, 2015
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    This doctor prescribed birth control to my ex wife to prevent pregnancy, even though it was later discovered she is infertile. Try to avoid the allure of irrelevant tangents.
     
    dixon76710, Jun 25, 2015
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    dixon76710, Jun 25, 2015
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    I was wrong, they are expecting some more opinions on Friday so I don't know which decisions come out today.

    From ScotusBlog live:

     
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