Scriptures For The Day

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    My impression is that the beginning of the near death experience of former Atheist
    Howard Storm is powerful evidence for the truth of this!

    At first when Howard finds himself in the out of the body state he is lured DOWNWARD!

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/howard-storm.html

     
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    By 1990 I was rather angry with Messiah Yeshua - Jesus so
    instead of reacting as many do... .I started a running argument with
    Messiah Yeshua - Jesus and even went over his head to the Ancient of Days the
    Father and all of my questions and disappointments got answered over these last twenty nine years.

    Could the Christian gospel be much worse news?

    Back around 1990 I went through a pretty serious theological crisis when I found out that the Soul Sleep theory was in error. I had believed in it pretty firmly since the early '70's. It sure sounded a whole lot more humane than the gospel as presented by Dr. Billy Graham..... that had inspired me to become an Atheist from around 1967 - 1973 until I began to listen to Evangelist Garner Ted Armstrong.

    Without Soul Sleep until the resurrection......
    the plan of G-d as explained by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus sounded pretty awful.

    Matthew 22:14

    "For many are called, but few are chosen."

    Matthew 7:13


    Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
    Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."


    Matthew 5:28

    "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

    And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast itfrom thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

    And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell."

    So the possible reality of this hell.... that is so scary that it would be a good idea to take an axe to our right hand....
    made the Gospel / Good News..... look a whole lot less good.

    Near death experiencer Bob Jones was shown that only about two percent of people in North America can go quickly into the paradise / heaven environment after death.

    http://www.thequickenedword.com/rhema/BobJonesTestimonyAugust81975DeathExperience.htm


     
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    Then the Fundamentalists showed up and logic and reason went out the window :)
     
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    I prefer the term Bible believer, Jesus was one of those.
     
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    How when there was no Bible during the time of Jesus ??
     
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    I agree. Fundamentalists tend to take one part of the Word and make a religion out of it. The Word in totality reveals it's intent.
     
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    Jesus WAS the Word. In Him all things was and is revealed.
     
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    18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

    19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

    20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

    Thought that a little more context with that verse would be helpful.
     
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    Yet no Bibles when Jesus was alive.
     
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    Of course all of the O.T. scriptures existed but Jesus, while alive as a human body on this earth, contained the Bible. John 1:1
     
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    "Wisdom" is cited repeatedly in the Scriptures. Not "intelligence" which is so often used for evil purposes, but "wisdom."

    Why did God make women? For love. For companionship of man.


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    A friend of mine that studies the ancient Hebrew told me something interesting. Where it says in Genesis that God made for man a "Help mete", the actual word was translated from a word that was depicted as an ax type symbol over an eyeball. (I could draw the thing). What the word "help mete" actually meant was that she was created partly as a means to make man aware of the enemy of his soul. In other words, the women could forsee things the man could not. I have seen that in my marriage countless times where she gave me insight when I was headed for disaster.
     
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    Not really, Jesus quoted from the OT Torah, part of our Bible. He believed in a literal Adam and a literal Jonah.
     
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    Their behavior shortens their lives as much as smoking does, in men at least. It's almost as if God knew what He was talking about. In most of His prohibitions, He's saying, "Don't hurt yourself". Short of a bad blood transfusion, there are no STDs where sex is between a man and woman in a life long married relationship.
     
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    Tanakh is the proper word.
     
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    Of course he did. He had no choice. He had been taught this from the age of 5. He had learned this was what had happened. To believe otherwise was unthinkable. That's why he would never had said things put into his mouth by the gospel writers..Just as Christianity has indoctrinated for 2000 years. He had no archeaology, science to teach him otherwise. We do. The early stories are simply adapted from even earlier stories. It's all there for you to see but 'faith' gets in the way.
     
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    Reasoning - The ontological sequencing of ideas
     
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    Any portion of scripture is good for instruction, but no portion of scripture is good for conclusion. Conclusions should only be drawn from the full counsel of God's creation. It is unwise to draw conclusions solely from the bible as if the balance of creation were superfluous. If all we had were the bible, we would still believe that the "sun rose and set". We know now the Earth rotates on its axis and that the sun doesn't actually rise and set. It just looks that way from our point of view. This is a very important type of thing to know that the bible includes many things that are from our point of view.

    The first thing one learns when one begins working with blue prints is that you should never try to build something from only one point of view. I first read the bible cover to cover in 1979, and I've read from it every day for the last forty years, but the fact remains that even the bible a is limited perspective. Where the "fundamentalists" go wrong, in my opinion, is that they treat the balance of creation as if it has nothing to teach us about God or how to understand the bible.

    No where in the bible does the bible hold out the bible as the reason why man should know that there is a God. No where in the bible does the bible hold out the bible as the way man can know God's "invisible qualities -- His eternal power and divine nature".

    The bible is creation's legend. The bible is as essential to understanding the balance of creation as a map's legend is to understanding that map. However, the legend is for the map; the map is not for the legend. The legend is as useless without the map as the map is useless without its legend. People trying to navigate life solely by the bible makes about as much sense to me as people trying to navigate logistically solely by the legend.
     
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