Seattle police confiscate weapons from right wing Neo-Nazi.

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  1. 61falcon

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    Seattle police, using a special provision in the law, seized five military style rifles,1 shotgun and 3 semi automatic handguns as well as gun components used to make unregistered guns from Neo-Nazi leader of hate filled racist group Atomwaffen Kaleb James Cole.Cole is well known to the police as a leader of Atomwaffen who has organized training camps for the group who are planning a race war.Cole has a lifetime ban from ever entering Canada based on his known hate filled actions and behavior.Atomwaffen is known to have several chapters in the USA conducting training camps for their racially motivated hate group.They have been linked to five homicides.
     
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    I checked new sources on line and could not find any of them that said they were right wing.
     
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    At least Seattle is open about wanting to take our guns. Good thing I don't live there.

    It seems he was deprived of his 2nd amendment rights because of a red flag law that strips people of their constitutional rights without even requiring a judge.
     
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    Thank gawd they got him before he tried shooting up and firebombing an ICE facillity. Is there a link?
     
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    My line is not having destable political views on the extreme of the left or right, it is advocating or initiating imminent violence against others, period.

    If he did the latter then I support the confiscation, if not I don't.
     
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    Nazi's were left wing, just like Democrats who owned slaves and segregationists like George Wallace. They were all a stone's throw from Stalin, Mao, and Chavez. But nice try.
     
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    President Trump's "base" are your hard working, every day Americans. Calling a tiny, radical fringe, his "base" is dishonest as hell. But you already know that, just dont care.
     
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    There are no far-right Republicans and, if there were, they would be advocating for smaller, less intrusive government, not the thought police that Democrats have become. Just the other day, a Neo-Nazi attacked Rand Paul at a restaurant in CA. If she had a gas chamber, she would have used it. You don't see that among Conservatives. Beto O'Rourke is your Neo-Nazi who, like Hitler, wants to confiscate firearms to leave the population defenseless against authoritarian control. Lizzy Warren is the Neo-Nazi who wants to confiscate money from people who she thinks have too much.

    National Socialists are National Socialists. You are who you are. Own it!

    Neo-Nazi groups are funded by Hitler Youth graduate, George Soros and fringe wackos like your ANTIFA..
     
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    Your fantasy is not reality.
     
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    The proper way to deal with neo-Nazis and similar groups is to infiltrate them, and then ... with an eye on the legal definition of 'entrapment' ... record them saying or preparing to do things that will allow them to be de-fanged, however that might happen. (The ideal outcome would be the way the Klan was destroyed in Meridian, Mississippi in the late 60s, which involved an armed ambush of a bomb-planting pair of Klanspersons. But the way the FBI has persuaded adherents of the Religion of Peace to voice their real beliefs -- using methods that apparently fall just short of entrapment, which some liberals have complained about -- would be a good outcome as well.)
     
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    It would seem inspite of it's name and based on pro publica's report on them not so much Nazi as it is old school anarchist in it's thinking. Please note this makes them more not less dangerous. There heroes are Hitler and Manson and their goal is the destruction of modern society.
     
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    The problem with groups like this is that they are often run by people who are smart enough to know how to come just up to the legal line of incitement, but not cross it. However, they will attract unstable, less intelligent followers, who will then pursue the logic of the group's beliefs.

    Extreme anti-abortion groups fall into this category as well. It's unfortunate, if you're of a libertarian bent, but near-unlimited free speech, and near-unlimited access to deadly weapons implies the necessity for an extensive secret police, unless you want periodic mass murders.

    Atomwaffen are definitely Nazis, and any Nazi or similar group should have every one of its local organizations hosting a police informer. To be more precise: if you are building an organization which celebrates the mass extermination of another group, however careful you are not to call for the immediate implementation of your program, you need to be watched closely by the state.

    The problem comes with groups which are not Nazi, but are merely eccentrics of a peculiarliy American kind: the 'Sovereign Citizens' type of movement. Anarchism is historically a leftwing phenomenon -- and a violent one as well, certainly in the US -- the group that Sacco and Vanzetti were supporters of was responsible for a number of bombings with mass casualties -- so these people are usually designated as 'anti-Government'. But a clear distinction should be made between 'anti-Government' groups which are NOT planning on initiating armed actions against the state, but which simply do not like intrusive government regulations -- on the one hand -- and those which encourage armed confrontations, on the other. The latter need to be monitored closely as well.

    And people on the Right who share the skepticism towards government of these groups need to be very clear about the distinction between non-violent actions and advocacy, and violent ones. We need to pull away any of the base of the potentially-violent groups who are themselves not crazy or inclined towards violence.

    I believe such an evolution has been undergone by most of the 'militia' groups, including groups like the OathKeepers, and this is a welcome development.
     
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    I just wish their antipathies were limited strictly to Jews. They dislike modern society in general and want to tear it all down Jews are just the starting point.
     
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    I think you might want to reword your first sentence.

    But you make a good point: one of the reason the Jews are hated is not just that they are more intelligent and successful than non-Jews, but also because they have been on the cutting edge of modernity, for good or ill. There is even a whole sophisticated elaborate theory about this, labelled 'Group Evolutionary Strategy', championed by a now-retired academic psychologist, Kevin MacDonald.

    We can cut society along many different lines: race, politics, sex, age, region, religion ... but the most important distinction is: those who are willing to live peacefully among people they don't like/agree with/think like ... and those who can seriously contemplate extinguishing the latter. A liberal-democratic society with limited government and the rule of law is not congenial to the would-be extinguishers. And in fact it's not always so pleasing to the rest of us. But it's all we have between us and some very unpleasant ways of organizing people.
     
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    Confiscation without due process will soon wind up in the supreme court.
     
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    Seems to me that if you are going to take away guns you ought to arrest the person. The terrorist in Nice killed more people than any mass shooting in US history with €200 and one day truck hire.
     
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    Jew phobia has a far longer and more sordid history then merely Nazis. Governments tend to love convenient scape goats for one thing and for another to any group that has loyalties beyond the government itself. It's one of the reasons Communists singled out Christians for elimination.
     
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    How are national socialists different from other socialist?
     
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    Variations in intelligence between separate groups of human beings are most likely explained by examining the different social and physical environments they confront.
    Beyond that the differences do not seem very significant. The historical record seems to prove rather conclusively that all human beings are remarkably stupid.

    Which, of course makes the small limited government model a far better choice for the survival for a severely challenged human race. :)
     
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    I suspect that whats left of the neo-Nazi/KKK is throughly infiltrated by undercover police and police informants. There might not be much left if the police ever abandoned them.
     
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    It's about what your culture values. Jews and many asian cultures value education highly
     
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    Cultural values evolve out of the instinct for survival.
     
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    In the same way that Hitler is different from Bernie Sanders?
     
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    Also a lot of the anti-rich canards were directed at Jews, as freed from then-Christian sensibilities over usury the Jewish diaspora flourished in the field of finance.

    In an economy as ****ed as Weimar Germany's it's not all that hard to convince ordinary people to rise up and take the wealth for themselves.

    Remember, the DAP was a splinter from genuine socialist groups, spoke similar lingo, etc. Their main innovation was the blind pursuit of power, unshackled from rampant party infighting and united around racial hatred as a means to economic change.

    Fascist economics is a topic not all that touched on, given it is clearly overshadowed by the Holocaust.

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    As far as the sordid history of anti-semitism goes, the Russians set the standard until the world wars. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was probably the most successful work of propaganda ever orchestrated, to the point where despite it being an obvious plant by the Russian monarchy it continues to be used by vile people today, from Islamic despots to Central American dictators and everything in between.
     
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    And why Trump wants to remove all the Mexicans from the US.
     
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