Selective Service

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  1. pwillie

    pwillie Active Member Past Donor

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    ...should be returned.....I served, and am proud to have honored my country....so, if you are a US citizen,you owe your nation a debt of service.Todays youth have no training in discipline...nor in military drill.If we needed a call up to defend the country,all we have is old men and street corner huggers....I think Trump should reinstate the draft! What do you think?:eekeyes:
     
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    tkolter Well-Known Member

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    Only if it includes women and they can serve in combat roles, and the disabled, everyone must be included and it must cover those regardless of education even High School dropouts unless they are completely pointless so good luck this won't happen and if its young men in the system its a violation of equal rights afforded gender and disability status.
     
  3. Strasser

    Strasser Banned

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    I have no problem with a draft, even a peacetime one, but the PC fashionistas are mostly opposed to it, because, well it's fashionable to be against it., and it doesn't mesh well with the libertoon fantasies ideological cranks on the left and the right slobber over.
     
  4. Questerr

    Questerr Banned

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    No to government run slavery.

    If the government wants soldiers, it should get volunteers just like it does for every other position.

    There has never been a point in US history where we needed a draft. The US government has instead repeated chosen to enslave its citizens and force them to kill other people because its more convenient than increasing pay to get more volunteers.
     
  5. pwillie

    pwillie Active Member Past Donor

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    Tell that to a Russian soldier when he puts you in a concentration camp...Tell him you have no alligence to your nation...are maybe your reason is your an illegal alien?
     
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    Questerr Banned

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    Russia has ZERO capability to invade America and put anyone in concentration camps. Why should I consider your scenario any more realistic than the plot of a (*)(*)(*)(*)ty Hollywood movie?

    I VOLUNTEERED. I served willingly and the government paid me sufficiently to get me to join. Why do you feel the need to have the government enslave citizens and force them to kill people if they don't want to?

    Maybe your reason is because you are a fascist who hates freedom?
     
  7. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exactly. A volunteer Army means you have people who want to be there, who want to kill, who want to carry out the mission. Not some sketchy hipster that is forced to be there. I don't want that kid watching my 6
     
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    Questerr Banned

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    Fun fact that people don't realize:

    If you go back and look at statistics from WW2, the drafted army then had even bigger problems with desertion and drug abuse amung drafted troops than it did during Vietnam.
     
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    The draft is stupid, ESPECIALLY at this point. We've got a large standing Army of which 99.9% of us actually want to be here. There are some washouts that regret it but most suck it up and end up enjoying it. The last thing I want is to have people who don't want to be here, assigned to my platoon.
     
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    Questerr Banned

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    Can you imagine the draftees in today's Army the way they give out stuff like anti-anxiety meds and sleeping pills?

    We already have a serious problem with soldiers abusing those and they are all professionals.

    Not mention the WW2/Vietnam era problems with draftees rat (*)(*)(*)(*)ing supply depots and the like in pursuit of black market profits with today's multi-million dollar gear?
     
  11. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We'd be riddled with gang members and softies. It would be horrible.
     
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    Questerr Banned

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    Riddled with *more* gang members.

    That's already a problem.
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We should totally reinstate the draft. Beginning at age 55, everybody has to serve 10 years to draw their social security. We can pay for it by abolishing the VA. No need to have it since everybody 55 and over will be in service.
     
  14. ArmySoldier

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    Good point. They join the army to get skills for the streets. Fort Bragg and Fort Lost-in-the-woods have horrible problems on and off base.
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is why my proposal that we draft 55 year olds for ten years is the perfect solution. Why draft know-nothing 18 year olds when we have a whole generation of know-it-alls we could tap?
     
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    Questerr Banned

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    They are nothing compared to Fort Hood.
     
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    And Ft Bliss....
     
  18. ArmySoldier

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    I was there for pre-mob but I don't really remember my time there. I have no desire to go back

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    Really? I haven't personally been but this pvt in my company raves about it
     
  19. Nightmare515

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    No it should not be returned in my opinion.

    We have enough problems dealing with undisciplined knucklehead kids who join the military voluntarily. I don't want to deal with even worse knucklehead kids who will be FORCED to join the military. That would be even worse.

    When I deploy to a war zone I want people with me who WANT to be there, not somebody who was forced to be there.

    Plus we have no reason to do that. We have more than enough folks wishing to join the service as is. Unless we find ourselves without of enough troops to do what we need to do then we have no reason to force anybody into service against their will.

    Now granted in the future we may very well have a problem because of the rise of a lot of these millennial kids who are against military service. But I think we'll be alright for the foreseeable future.

    I remember years ago I actually met some kid who was super proud of himself for being able to tell a Soldier (me) that he wasn't joining the military. He was like "Well me, I'm not joining the military, I have enough brains to not have to do that". I'm said "Good! I don't WANT YOU in the military"...He quickly deflated his arrogant attitude because for some reason he thought I was supposed to get upset about that or something. It's like no kid nobody cares that you aren't joining the service, nobody cares that you think you are too good or too smart for service. We don't WANT people like you and we're GLAD you aren't joining us. He didn't like that response. Sucked the air out of his little bubble real quick lol
     
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    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Would be a great way to dramatically expand our cyber, & drone warfare capabilities.
     
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    Questerr Banned

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    Even if we start having a problem getting enough recruits, the government response should be to increase pay, benefits, and signing bonuses to induce more people to join, not to enslave people and force them to join.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Yeah i agree. The only reason I said that is because I see the type of people coming of age in this new generation and if this trend continues then I can possibly foresee us not having enough people willing to fight period regardless of the pay.

    This new generation makes me nervous, something is up with these kids and their kumbaya attitude towards everything. But then again our parents said the same thing about us and we're doing alright so I think we might be fine. I hope we'll always have enough citizens willing to actually fight for their country to where this sort of discussion never actually has to happen in real life.

    I used to always say that if the government couldn't find enough people willing to voluntarily fight for the country then the government needed to reevaluate it's reasons for wanting to fight. However, looking at this generation of young people it almost seems like they wouldn't even fight if the damn Russians parachuted in here Red Dawn style. Part of me thinks that in the future the government may have to just grab a bunch of these people and say look the real world doesn't work this way, I don't know what the hell is wrong with you people but no you can't just sing nice songs to the bad guys and they'll go away. You people have lost your minds, you WILL fight now screw this.

    We can deal with this lackadaisical attitude now because we still have enough people in the military willing to fight FOR these people. But there may come a point where too many people in the country are brainwashed by this never hurt anybody EVER attitude and we may have no choice but to conscript these people and make them fight for the country they live in. Hope it never comes to that...
     
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    pwillie Active Member Past Donor

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    So, you think a "mercenary" soldier cares about anything?.....Compulsory Service is necessary to keep the borders safe.When dealing with a adversarial foe,we need young trained troops,not 50 year old National Guard soldiers.... When the Young Middle East killers attack you, ask the gang bangers what will they do..and the "Drones"...see if they can disperse the enemy...the mind set now, is women don't want their sons serving....two years of military training would do the nation good...if we have no trained troops, the nation is vulnerable...once the war starts, it will be too late....we are a nation of "haves" that's why everyone wants to come here!If you are a citizen , you should serve your country...Israel does!...Most nations do.Lot od "head in the sand posters" on this site!
     
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    Questerr Banned

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    Are you saying modern US professional soldiers are mercenaries who don't care about anything?

    I own the government, the government doesn't own me. It has no right to my labor against my will, especially not to force me to kill people. Why are you so against freedom and allowing people to chose whether or not they want to serve?
     
  25. Nightmare515

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    You're acting like we don't have plenty of folks already in the service and plenty of young folks ready and willing to sign up. We don't have an issue with recruitment right now and until we do this is a moot point.

    I don't want to conscript people into the military. A Soldier who volunteered for service will almost always perform better than one who was forced into service. As long as we have plenty who are willing to volunteer then we don't need to force people to do so.
     

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