Sen. Kamala Harris introduces bill to extend school day by 3 hours

Turning school into free daycare. Not sure I support that.

 

Not sure if you have school age children, but where I live, most schools are already open until 6pm because of After school program(ie after school care for working parents). I have never heard of a school that closes before 6. It's already a thing, so it's not new, unless shes trying to do it for HS, but they are already doing after school stuff as far as sports and tutoring and clubs.

 

Locally funded, knock yourself out. Federal funds? Nope. If you need my help raising your kids, don’t have them.

 

agree on paper, and I support the concept.
With that said.... honestly... paying teachers their regular hourly wage for after school programs?
Lets ballpark that at $30 for the sake of argument, that's way too much to pay for a glorified babysitter.

I have several teachers in my family, one that ran the after hours program with her hubby who was also a teacher.
they made about $12 an hour each, vs the 35-40ish they made during regular hours.

$12-15 is about right for supervised care, anything over that is throwing money away, just hire someone else for half price.

not to get into a debate about the true hourly wage because inevitably someone will post a link like this
https://edtechmagazine.com/k12/article/2013/08/how-many-hours-do-educators-actually-work
and start suggesting that teachers regularly exceed 50+ 60+, 14-16 hour days, nope.

Sure "some" teaches (or the cute term "many") will work 3-5 hours at home or after school but "MOST" don't come close to that, they do their job, wrap it up and go home.

With the teachers I knew, + those that I was related to, except for 1st year teachers, they never came close to working the extreme hours suggested, and they were all excellent, even some golden apple finalists in the group.

Lastly, I don't think singling out lower income area's is fair, as if middle class peeps don't deal with the same issues, actually its probably just as likely they have those issues, why exclude them?


FWIW in my county, they stagger the start times and end times.
high school 7:30 - 2:30
middle 9:30 - 4:30
elem 8:30 - 3:30
which solves our busing problems, same buses can handle all 3 loads.

 

if i read it correctly, it just means "doors open" it doesn't mean its mandatory that all kids stay, just allows the kids that have no other options to have the opportunity.

 

I like the idea of schools being able to provide a kind of after-school daycare service. It does also effectively move the costs of daycare from the private sector to the public sector, which helps spread the burden and helps working parents. It would be nice if a parent could stay home or have more flexible working hours to accommodate the normal school schedule, but I guess that past luxury is too much for America to afford now, somehow.

 

I do have a HS Junior and he does spend time at school (or at other nearby places FOR school) after regular school hours several days a week

But we live in a very affluent area..

Based on what I read, she's indicated some low income places don't have the activities or personnel to keep the schools open after hours..

As I said earlier, if it has the potential of keeping kids who aren't doing anything better in a reasonably safe social area for a few hours when parents are working, I'm not sure I see the downside...

Investing in kids sometimes returns more than the costs.... Didn't say I was sold on the idea, but she's only asking for a pilot program, not a nationwide effort..

Also note that the OP is completely misleading...

 

Locally funded means property taxes go up. taxes go up and people suffer and people move to other areas and....... so on and so forth.

Kamala is just a 3rd rate politician who should shut up and go back to being offensive to her colleagues. Her ideas are dogcrap.

 

Interesting... we do the same thing, but we send our Elem kids in first (7:50-2:30), then middle (8:30-3:20), then HS (9:15-4:00)

 

Not only that, but how out of touch can one person be?

 

Gee, I though our property taxes went to fund the schools. Maybe the taxpayers in certain districts would like to receive this service in exchange for their tax money.

 

So those pushing to take more money from American workers through high taxes are developing a concern for them all of a sudden? I don't buy it.

 

Odd that yours does high school later vs earlier, we've done it with HS being the first so they could work after school.
7:30 was awful i'll admit but high schoolers can wake themselves up. And it was nice being able to work after school at the grocery store, $3.45 an hour, killin it!

Actually back then (80's) we only needed like 21 credits iirc so most us us were off at noon or 1pm. They have raised the credit requirements now and also added dual enrollment classes for college credit which were very helpful for those kids going on for simple degrees or to community college, turned out to be a big waste if you were going to a big school and taking things like chemistry or higher math for engineering. The first thing we learned was that taking chem 1,2 in high school did NOT prepare you for Chem 2 in college, it just made Chem 1 a tad less shocking so in our kids case we tossed 7-8 dual enrollment credits aside and didn't use them. For a less demanding degree we likely would have used them all.

 

So... For children who walk to school in northern states, this would mean going home after the sun set in winter. How nice!

 

as a middle income peep, that is my general complaint, all those ideas come with overall higher taxes, we the gov't obviously cant become more efficient, we suck at that, and spending is always moving up up up. a billion here a billion there and pretty soon you have something substantial!

 

Sen. Kamala Harris introduces bill to extend school day by 3 hours.

Psssst, Kamala. The problem isn't that the school day isn't long enough. The problem is that it isn't good enough.

 

Yeh, I pay some of the highest property taxes in the country. I pay more in property tax than my living expenses. But like you say, I can move. I can’t move away from the IRS. And I can cuss my neighbors on the school board to their face.

She’s looking for a new way to buy votes. Probably will help her but not enough to matter. You would think at some point the absurdity of the nanny state would dawn on even the most dependent souls.

 

And probably trying to throw a bone to teachers unions.

Harris, in the meantime is ignoring her home state.

 

Me too. Kamala is just wildly throwing crap against a wall to see what sticks. She is desperate and trying to find a talking point because she literally has nothing.

Which proves she would make a lousy President and leader. She is a follower and needs protection of position to flourish. It also helps that she was able to sleep with Willie Brown to giver her the position in office she needed.

 

As silly as this may sound, school is too friendly now for childrens to really learn. They go there to hang out with friends.
Teachers are seen as friends now instead of tutors. There's no teaching of respect.
They also spend too much time on things that are at best hobby materials, instead of concentrating on the core discipline of language, math, science, history etc.

This also has an impact on boys, who progress better in a more serious, regimentalized, atmosphere than girls.

Schools today are pyjama boy factories.

 

You should do a little research on demographics of homeschoolers. And on their academic achievement. Oh, but academics isn’t what you care about, is it? As long as they leave government schools prepared for lifelong dependency on the state you don’t care about little things like the ability to read or write...

 

Any time she hasn't been treated with kid gloves-she melts.

Not Presidential material.

 

Guess that means they are no longer going to push for 16 YOs to have the vote.

 

My wife and I were on the PTSA and always found a way to keep the playground open until parents got off work. We even brought back a music program that was cancelled due "lack of funds" (Meaning they spent it on pensions!) This did not require a single cent from the tax payers.

 

as I mentioned above, two relatives of mine ran the after school program, made about $12 an hour each, and it WAS fee based but not expensive at all, like $30 a week or something, pretty dam cost effective.

I wish you hadn't brought up saving the music program, now I can't get that song out of my head "Here comes the Boom!"

I loved that movie, so stupid but I've seen it 3 times, and i might do a 4th tonight.