SEN. TOM COTTON: war with Iran would be just ‘two strikes’

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  1. ARDY

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    I agree this was a delusion that partially motivated the iraq invasion an subsequent policy


    However, after 9/11, we collectively notices the taliban in Afghanistan, and how the provided a congenial home base for al queda.... and then we wondered if our abandonment of Afghanistan after the soviets left was a good idea

    Subsequently, after we killed sadam, we noticed isis blooming in iraq, and wondered whether we wanted to allow them freedom to establish themselves in iraq. And we also noticed that failed states around the world were incubators for all sorts of nasty gangs... and that the impact to this nastiness was not confined to national borders... and so we embarked on a grand experiment of trying to rebuild iraq so that it would not be another failed state exporter of terrorism and criminality that would destabilize neighboring countries.

    All that did not work out so well, despite best intentions.

    I am not promoting any particular approach for the future. But i do note that destroying a country and trying to wash our hands of the left overs has not worked well. The fact is that once we do that, there are innumerable unpredictable possible bad results. And what certainly will be the case is that if wi created a mess.... the international community not ignore our responsibility in the outcome... much as we would like that to be the case.
     
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    I want to put this is somewhere. This thread is about the intent of another war and this video is about war and what it is doing to the people of the USA. It is a strong voice needing to be heard. The US military apparently believed that if it got people to write what they had achieved from being in the military it would be a good recruiter. Their voices turned out instead to be strongly anti war.

     
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    The Saudis are desperate to remove the Shia regime. They are the only real power left to hold back Sunni dominance.
     
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    A retreat to the same old Canard - Any revealing sharp, and painful
    criticism of Zionist Israel must of necessity be attacked as Anti-Semitic
    ................................................................................................................... Bigotry

    Seems to me the citations given were from Konsl Quotes, - Legio Christi
    & QuoteTab - So which one is Stormfront? - which one is Vets-Today?
    ........................................................................which one is American Free Press ?

    Given what comes out the mouth of Netanyahu regarding the THING
    he easily steers, from interfering with his application of a Murderous,
    ..Illegal, Collective Punishment - there is absolutely nothing at all
    ................................................inconsistent with the Quotes Legitimacy.

    Has it ever been OFFICIALLY denied ? NO ? not that I can find

    Perhaps because IT IS SEEN AS RUNNING TRUE TO FORM
    .........& is therefore is put on Ignore in hopes it will just go away

    Let's look at a few other - Benny Netanyahu Originals that make
    The "America can dry up and blow away" Faux-Pas seem tame
    .

    New York Times
    Netanyahu Denounced for Saying Palestinian Inspired Holocaust

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/22/...inspired-holocaust-draws-broad-criticism.html

    Netanyahu Apologizes for Racist Comment -
    White House Is Unmoved

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/24/...logizes-for-comments-about-israeli-arabs.html

    Netanyahu Declares Israel Nationn-State Of Jews Alone
    https://www.newsweek.com/netanyahu-israel-nation-state-jews-1358133

    Netanyahu Quotes Radical Rabbi Meir Kahane's Racist Invective
    https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/or...n-netanyahu-meir-kahane-arabs-incitement.html


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    The tactic with these countries should be to kill the right people break the right things and then leave saying as you go, whoever takes this country over if you act like the other regime we will return and kill your fat ass too. The new regime would be immediately careful about pissing us off.
     
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    No one has ever asked him if the quote is real

    And I never said that criticism of Israel equals anti-semitism so please be respectful and do not misrepresent my comments again
     
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    Tom Cotton and everyone who thinks like him should be enlisted in active combat units deployed to the Middle East. That way, if the war they desire breaks out, they will be some of the first ones to fight and possibly die.
     
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    If you define war as organized combat, then there is no way that a war with Iran would be won within four days. Naturally, the US could destroy much of Iran's conventional military power, but that would still leave behind a large and motivated network of Iranian allies, proxies, affiliates, etc. It's also highly probable that Iraq's Shiite majority along with its government would be become a belligerent against the US. Syria, too. And then of course there are Russia and China, who would strongly oppose any US war on Iran. Hell, pretty much the entire world would be against such a war. The only countries who want something like this to happen are Israel and Saudi Arabia. So while I understand what you're trying to say, I think it's important that we don't exaggerate the power and capabilities of the US military. It gives certain people a false sense of confidence that makes them more likely to support a war.
     
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    Do YOU think for one moment he would answer in the affirmative ?
    I
    am sure he must be aware of the Quote, and could easily deny it
    He obviously has been advised to remain silent on the issue and thus
    avoid the Can Of Worms that would result in that denial


    And EXCUSE - If I offended
    But YOU seemed to indicate that Grau used Stormfront in the present
    ...........................................debate. Are they or are they NOT Anti-Semitic ?

    & when it comes to Anti-Semitism, or might we just say - Irrational Bigotry
    .................does NOT The Yahu's quotes (that I Link'd to,) speak to it, and turn
    .................the term on its head, being that Arabs are also a Semitic people.?
    .....................and dare we say- He certainly seems to have a hard on for them
     
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    I'm sorry but I'm not going to answer any more of your questions as long as you keep posting in that very strange style
     
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    Is OKAY Ronster ! [​IMG]
    I actually prefer my Dissection Subjects be anesthetized in some way :)
     
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    Many in this thread do not nderstand what 'combat' means between Iran and the US.
     
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    CThree (command, control, communication) forces by the Americans would immediately gain air control, destroy all Anti-Air capacity by Iran, dissolve the ability of Iranian commands to communicate with each other, effectively isolating units so they could not coordinate with other units, incapicate any attempts at supply and logistics.

    In other words, the Americans would destroy Iranian ability to resist military within four days, and inflicting hundreds of thousands of casualties on Iranian forces, including those of the very over-rated Iranian Revolutionary Guard organizations.

    With supply capability destroyed, the cities would be starving within seven to ten days.

    The US would do all this with very little effort and minimal casualties.
     
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    Re:
    Please verify that Wayne Madsen is the oldest source for this quote.

    In any case, Wayne Madsen has nothing to do with the topic at hand and the quote I cited & repeatedly supported is perfectly valid unless you can prove otherwise.

    Realities that do concern this thread are that Netanyahu, America's "Christian Zionists", America's Ziono-Cons (Bolton, Pompeo etc) & America's Israeli lobbies are trying to push America into another war for Israel in spite of the fact that Israel will suffer far more than AIPAC's war mongering hirelings safely ensconced in the US.



    "Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu Leads US President Trump to War with Iran"
    https://www.unz.com/jpetras/israeli...hu-leads-us-president-trump-to-war-with-iran/
    EXCERPT "Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the Presidents of the 52 Major Jewish American Organizations are leading President Trump, like a puppy on a leash, into a major war with Iran. The hysterical ’52 Presidents’ and ‘Bibi’ Netanyahu are busy manufacturing Holocaust-level predictions that a non-nuclear Iran is preparing to ‘vaporize’ Israel, the most powerful, nuclear-armed state in the Middle East."CONTINUED
     
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    Saudis have been pushing for the USA to neuter Iran for years.

    The Sunni-Shia conflict is like 1,000 years old
     
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    Yes, I have heard the US would use cyber warfare to stop them being able to fight back. However I have never heard a non American believe you could take Iran in 4 days. People from other countries see the entire ME up in flames. The Iranians have to have done something to counter your intended cyber attack. They know that is your intention. If you haven't managed to starve them to death yet, they will be too busy killing you and taking your food to be bothered. Everyone apart from some Americans believe that the US cannot take Iran without a ground force of 1 million people - that would involve conscription from the US as well as the Saud's and UAE providing you with some pawns. It is a massive country and the Iranians know it very well. People see it going on like Vietnam while the rest of the ME divides for and against. Iran is not Iraq. Iran is not without friends. This is extremely unlikely to be a war just against Iran. It will be the final war of the Middle East, likely also involve attacks on US bases in the region but basically as Carter, no I think it was Sanders recently said, this would be the war to teach people what perpetual war, war without end really means. There will be people not yet born who will know nothing but war from birth to death if the US is insane enough to attack Iran. Both the US military and the Israeli military believe a war with Iran cannot be won.
     
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    That is not what I hear but Wahhabism is only abut a couple of hundred years old and it is Wahhabism supported by the US who want to become Islam.
     
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    This original thread went up on May 16th. It is now June 1st. There is no war, and no signs that one is imminent. The US does not want war with Iran. All the fervent, foaming-at-the-mouth, anti-Us
    rhetoric was a waste of time. The US military knows that a ground war with Iran would be a quaqmire. We simply don't have enough troops to deploy to take on Iran's 420,000 active duty soldiers.
    We could only deploy 140,000 men to Iraq and it was a struggle to maintain that number. Any war would be confined to cruise missles, drones and air strikes and it is not likely they would be decisive.
    Iran, according to Peter Tatchell, spokesman for the British Gay rights group OutRage!, has executed 100,000 of its own citizens between the Revolution in 1979 and 2007. They are not going to
    worry about a few casualties from airstrikes.
     
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    A puppet... lol The 'Supreme' Leader is mostly a religious adviser. They have little real political power, much of the clerical class works independently of their will (as seen when about 1/2 the clerics backed the Green Revolution in '09). The notion that they run the show came about because the last president was a religious zealot who did whatever the Supreme Leader said. Before and now after he's nothing in political life.
     
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    A puppet... lol The 'Supreme' Leader is mostly a religious adviser. They have little real political power, much of the clerical class works independently of their will (as seen when about 1/2 the clerics backed the Green Revolution in '09). The notion that they run the show came about because the last president was a religious zealot who did whatever the Supreme Leader said. Before and now after he's nothing in political life.
     
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    You are fooling yourself. The Iranian military will lose the war. Now, yes, I am glad to say that you have it right that the US cannot successfully occupy Iran, and who in their right minds would want to hang on to that crap hole? And the US and Israeli military know that they can destroy Iran's military capabilities in a week.
     
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    I am not fooling myself. I am reporting what I have heard others say. Obviously the US has far better fire power but everyone I hear talking about it does not believe that will do anything except kill more civilians - which I believe you think will be the intent anyway. If you just drop a few bombs and hope they are in the right place, which I understand is another of the problems, then all that will happen is that Iran will in an extremely short time have nukes. You will still also be attacked from other countries, groups possibly also in the US though I know Trump thought of that one in not letting Muslims in.

    So yes, you can destroy a fair bit of Iran but you cannot win a war with Iran. In order to do that you would need to invade the country. People uniformly say you have not a chance of hell of being the winner in an invasion. If the ME does not go ablaze at your initial destruction of the infrastructure of Iran, it will if you go in which as I said before a pretty normal number people are saying you would need would be one million people and that would require conscription in the US. I do not see the US going for that.

    I remember years ago talking about this in connection with Israel and again prior to the Iran Nuclear Deal which your country reneged on and hence is seen by the rest of the world to be the one in the wrong and the aggressor in this instance. Netanyahu wanted war with Iran even spoke of nuking them but the Israeli intelligence/military does not believe Israel could win a war with Iran. Hence their work was in getting the CZ's in the US refusing to accept The Iran nuke deal signed by the UN, US, UK, Germany, France, Russia and China - I think that is everyone. The CZ's want war with Iran because Netanyau wants war with Iran. He believes that if as the military say Israel cannot take Iran then the US can instead. Obviously the added advantage for Israel is that it will be American not Israeli people dying. I have since heard several times that the US Military like the Israeli military do not believe a war can be won against Iran.

    What we do always hear is the same as you are doing and this thread is on. We hear the US claiming it will be the simplest thing in the world and we notice that that is far from the truth. Iran is a step too far and fighting a war for religious reasons is not what people would have thought the US would be doing but that would be what it would be doing. Fighting a war to help the Christian Zionists and the Wahhabi gain control of Islam, that is the group of Islam behind terrorist Islam. That is what you are prepared to risk your people for? I don't think you are a CZ so I would be surprised if it is so.

    You think you conquered Iraq in a week? dream on.
     
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    Alexa, you are wrong. Yes, America and Iran can easily win the war of military combat against Iran.

    What it can't do is occupy Iran successfully.

    If you want to live in an abject fear hiding from the enemy's military might thereafter, well . . .

    ps: Iran would be so foolish to fight a war for religious reasons.
     
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    it will be easy, the oil will make the war pay for itself... where have we heard this before... oh yeah... Iraq
     
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    yes, bad things happen in communism, same with capitalism, ask the American Indians...
     
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