SEN. TOM COTTON: war with Iran would be just ‘two strikes’

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  1. Thedimon

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    Well, technically speaking, we can turn Iran into dust with just one strike.
    As long as we don’t stay behind and try to rebuild.

    And for the record - I don’t care about Iran, Syria or some other backwards Muslim country and believe they should be allowed to marinate in their own juices and kill/torture each other as they please as long as they understand that they should not even try to threaten us.
     
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    SA is ME, and will turn against us once Iran is defeated. Now that stupid distraction is dismissed, understand that an attack on Iran will bring its ally Iraq into the war against the US once again.
     
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    And the US plan in Iraq ignited the insurgency, as the US supported corporate greed over employing the Iraqi people.
     
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    Saudi Arabia is now blaming Iran for a drone strike that shut down a pipeline in the kingdom. They have called for the US to launch a "surgical strikes" against Iran. If Saudi Arabia really
    believes that the Iranians attacked them, why don't they launch their own "surgical strikes?" As with the attacks on the four tankers, its hard to know what's going on.
     
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    The insurgents came from Iraq's disbanded military, a huge mistake by Brennan who oversaw the rebuilding of Iraq in the beginning. General Patraeus understood the insurgents were angry after losing their paychecks so he cut a deal with them by paying them to stop fighting. Most of the ex-miliary insurgents just wanted to take care of their families. The insurgents stopped fighting soon after.
     
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    You mean the way germany did after the Soviet union fell?

    I am more worried about the real threat today than imaginary threats in the future
     
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    That's one way of spinning it.
     
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    Fallacy of false equivalency. Try again.

    Iran is less of a threat to the US than Trump.
     
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    That Republican is committing treason. Same for anyone who supports such a war.
     
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    That is shear lunacy

    Iran wants to blow up the world for alah
     
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    Where's your proof?
     
  12. Mandelus

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    Interesting how much Saudi Arabia wants to get the US to attack Iran with fake news.

    But I am pretty sure, they will not a fake news award from Trump for it!
     
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    That would require a lot of scholorship that I dont have time for

    Besides you will never agree anyway
     
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    hahahahaha

    Thanks for conceding that you have no proof.
     
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    Whats really troubling is how many liberals believe thst iran is a victim instead of a danger to world peace
     
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    I have no time to play Go Fetch with you
     
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    It was Ambassador Bremer who decided to dismantle the Iraqi army, not Brennan.

    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/...-substitute-for-u-s-leadership-in-iraq-syria/

    To do de-Baathification without an agreed process of reconciliation threw tens of thousands of people out of their jobs, out of their homes, out of their future, and even robbed them of their position in society. So there was no reason for these individuals to support the new Iraq. In fact, it was in their interest to oppose it.

    And the effect was even bigger with the army, because it was a larger organization. Here, the flaw was to announce the firing of the Iraqi army without telling those soldiers what their future was.

    Week after week after week, the big demonstrations got larger and larger. There was enormous concern until about five weeks where there were actually killings, because the demonstrations were out of hand.

    At a certain point in there, around that moment, I (Petraeus) was in Baghdad, and I sought out the individual who oversaw that particular policy, and I told him that his policy was killing our troopers. That resulted in some quick action to then announce that there would be stipends for the soldiers, but that took a while as well.
     
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    Hear, hear.

    Which is precisely what happened in 1954 with Mossa Degh, and is a large part ( though not entirely) of why they are still so radical today. We arrogant Americans are never uglier than when we act like the Southwest Asian nations are South Sea Islanders. These are nations with really significant historys. Iraq is the oldest country there is and Iran is PERSIA fer crissake. These people love their countries quite as much as we love ours and more importantly they look upon their governments as something more than a "regime" which we believe they are all anxious to "change" into our 51st state
     
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    Yes, the occupation of iraq was handled badly
     
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    Oh ... danger for world peace? Shall I really reply the complete story of the last 40 years of Iranian and US history and also the reasons which brought the Mullahs to power?

    For too many Americans the occupation of the embassy and the following hostage is sitting too deep as thorn in the meat... but they ignore as too often further facts about ... as the fact that thr CIA before abused international law by placing the operatinal centre into the embassy for coordination the counter coup. Also an evil crime .by international law ... but of course shrugged off by these people, if they not directly deny that this was a crime.

    Or the 1983 bombing of the US Marines ... allegadly doine by Iran or Hezbollah. Bad terror attack ... but that the US Navy before bombarded Muslim areas and kille dmany civilians there, no word about ,,,

    No ... of cours is the Mullah regime evil, but so what? Do you really think the Saudis are better? Lol! Get real!
     
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    What the hell does he know? He doesn't have a big bushy moustache and I bet he doesn't own even ONE golf course
     
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    The nuclear deal lifted most of those sanctions with the promise that other sanctions will also be lifted in due course. The US are now blackmailing other UN countries into supporting US sanction - typical US dictatorship
     
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    You haven't answered the question on what is there to be negotiated. Giving up there nuclear program ? Iran already had agreed to that which the US then tore up.
     
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    The Iraqi government did not choose which companies would operate their oil fields. The companies who placed the highest bid won those contracts. The US companies were hoping that the oil would be really cheap to extract but it all went wrong for the US because of the cost of protecting those oil fields and hence all the contracts were won by China and Russia who did not face the same cost of security because they were not seen as the enemy.
     
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    I doubt it would be a very fast war. Iran is utterly massively larger than Iraq. And Iran is able to flatten Israel in a few hours as a reprisal. Israel is afterall a tiny country. Only 3 cities are larger than 250.000 people.

    So there is that, and the US is not able to rebuild anything. They failed in Afghanistan, and Iraq is since the US attacked it -for no reason at all- under the influence of Iran and not US. Is Saudi Arabia able to beat a bunch of camel herders in Yemen with the help of the US: nope, Iran is able to bypass that genocidal blockade that much that it's stalemating.
     
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