Senator says we may be at war - where is the outrage?

Mushroom · Oct 15, 2011

I have been following the news about the plot to assasinate the Saudi Ambasador to the US and detonate bombs in Argentina, and have been wondering where the outrage is.

I have been watching the news the last week, and am amazed at both the language being used, and the fact that nobody seems to even notice it.

Senator Carl Levin, Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee has even said that this is a serious threat to the US, and may be an act of war. Representative Michael McCaul, who heads the Homeland Security subcommittee also says this may be an act of war.

But nobody seems to care. Even Argentina is starting to send some firm language to Tehran, insisting that they answer questions about this latest plot, and 2 earlier attacks on their nation, in 1992 and 1994.

I think what I find most amazing is that nobody is talking about these events. None of the "usual suspects" seem to be on TV, either screaming that we should go to war. And oddly enough, I also do not hear any of the typical crazies saying that this is simply a "false flag", providing an excuse to declair war with an oil rich nation.

I can't think of any other serious diplomatic incident which has been followed by such a deafening silence.

SiliconMagician · Oct 15, 2011

Mushroom said: ↑

I have been following the news about the plot to assasinate the Saudi Ambasador to the US and detonate bombs in Argentina, and have been wondering where the outrage is.

I have been watching the news the last week, and am amazed at both the language being used, and the fact that nobody seems to even notice it.

Senator Carl Levin, Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee has even said that this is a serious threat to the US, and may be an act of war. Representative Michael McCaul, who heads the Homeland Security subcommittee also says this may be an act of war.

But nobody seems to care. Even Argentina is starting to send some firm language to Tehran, insisting that they answer questions about this latest plot, and 2 earlier attacks on their nation, in 1992 and 1994.

I think what I find most amazing is that nobody is talking about these events. None of the "usual suspects" seem to be on TV, either screaming that we should go to war. And oddly enough, I also do not hear any of the typical crazies saying that this is simply a "false flag", providing an excuse to declair war with an oil rich nation.

I can't think of any other serious diplomatic incident which has been followed by such a deafening silence.
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The nation is broke and tired of war and I think is becoming more amenable to appeasement, regardless of consequences. Short sighted and stupid, yes. But it is what it is. We have a powerful isolationist faction in the right in the form of Ron Paul libertarianism so the right has even lost its stomach for a fight.

Caroljo · Oct 15, 2011

Mushroom said: ↑

I have been following the news about the plot to assasinate the Saudi Ambasador to the US and detonate bombs in Argentina, and have been wondering where the outrage is.

I have been watching the news the last week, and am amazed at both the language being used, and the fact that nobody seems to even notice it.

Senator Carl Levin, Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee has even said that this is a serious threat to the US, and may be an act of war. Representative Michael McCaul, who heads the Homeland Security subcommittee also says this may be an act of war.

But nobody seems to care. Even Argentina is starting to send some firm language to Tehran, insisting that they answer questions about this latest plot, and 2 earlier attacks on their nation, in 1992 and 1994.

I think what I find most amazing is that nobody is talking about these events. None of the "usual suspects" seem to be on TV, either screaming that we should go to war. And oddly enough, I also do not hear any of the typical crazies saying that this is simply a "false flag", providing an excuse to declair war with an oil rich nation.

I can't think of any other serious diplomatic incident which has been followed by such a deafening silence.
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I agree, it has been pretty quiet! But no problem, I did read that obama is (or has) put some VERY STRONG sanctions on Iran! Again! I'm SURE it's all better now! You know how those Iranians hate sanctions!

** sarcasm off **

krunkskimo · Oct 17, 2011

The case has many problems and right now its with the evidence that is not being provided by the government.

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/20...er-an-alleged-terror-plots-b-movie-qualities/

Writing on his personal blog on Wednesday, Gary Sick, a scholar at Columbia University’s Middle East Institute who monitored Iran for the National Security Council during the Iranian revolution three decades ago, took the implication that the plot might be at least partly fictional seriously. “I find this very hard to believe,” Mr. Sick wrote.

In fact, this plot, if true, departs from all known Iranian policies and procedures.

To be sure, Iran has plenty of reasons to be angry at both the United States and Saudi Arabia. They attribute the recent wave of assassinations of physics professors and students, as well as the intrusion of the Stuxnet worm, to the U.S. and Israel. And the king of Saudi Arabia is reliably reported to have called for the U.S. to bomb Iran.

Iran has reportedly been involved in past assassinations in Europe and bombings in Argentina and elsewhere. But the assassinations were of Iranian counter-revolutionaries in the 1980s, and the bombings were always carried out by trusted proxies — normally a branch of Hezbollah. Iran’s fingerprints were always concealed beneath one or more layers of disguise…. And it is difficult to believe that they would rely on a non-Islamic criminal gang to carry out this most sensitive of all possible missions. In this instance, they allegedly relied on at least one amateur and a Mexican criminal drug gang that is known to be riddled with both Mexican and U.S. intelligence agents.

Whatever else may be Iran’s failings, they are not noted for utter disregard of the most basic intelligence tradecraft, e.g. discussing an ultra-covert operation on an open international line between Iran and the U.S. Yet that is what happened here.
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Kenneth Katzman, a Middle East analyst at the Congressional Research Service in Washington, also said on Wednesday that he found the idea that Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps would turn to a Mexican drug cartel for this sort of mission hard to accept. Writing to other Persian Gulf experts in an online forum moderated by Mr. Sick, Mr. Katzman explained:

As one who has never been particularly skittish or skeptical about accusations of Iranian involvement in international terrorism, I must cast my lot in with the skeptics on this one.

There is simply no precedent — or even reasonable rationale — for Iran working any plot, no matter where located, through a non-Muslim proxy such as Mexican drug gangs. No one high up in the Quds, the I.R.G.C. command, the Supreme National Security Committee, or anywhere else in the Iranian chain of command would possibly trust that such a plot could be kept secret or carried out properly by the Mexican drug people. They absolutely would not trust such a thing to them, given Iran’s undoubted assumption that the Mexicans are penetrated by the D.E.A. and F.B.I. and A.T.F., etc — and indeed this plot was revealed by just such a U.S. informant.

The Iranian modus operandi is only to trust sensitive plots to their own employees, or to trusted proxies such as Hezbollah, Saudi Hezbollah, Hamas, the Sadr faction in Iraq, Iran-friendly extremist Muslims in Afghanistan and other pro-Iranian Muslim groups.

Are we to believe that this Texas car seller was a Quds sleeper agent for many years resident in the U.S.? Ridiculous. They (the Iranian command system) never ever use such has-beens or loosely connected people for sensitive plots such as this.
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Meir Javedanfar, an Iranian-Israeli analyst based in Tel Aviv who agrees that “this would be extremely sloppy and unprofessional work by a government that has, over the years, become adept at hiding its tracks,” suggested that elements within Iran’s government might have pursued the plot without the approval of the country’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, as part of an internal power struggle.
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as you can see there are some serious doubters with strong points

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