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Georgia reopened April 27. 2 weeks later, no change.
Democrat terrorists launched an attack on May 29. 2 weeks later the case count started to surge.

Try to be honest for once, The chart is very clear.

 

Bullshit. I chronicled it here on this forum.

Georgia was running about 4-500 infections per day until they opened in April and then they jumped up to over a thousand.

Oh the numbers don't show that?

They started juking the numbers by BACKDATING the infections to earlier days that had lower counts...until they couldn't hide it any more

 

And you are? Remember, your state isn't run by Democrats. Atlanta is. Atlanta is where the juking happens. Democrats have a long history of corruption. The numbers crossed 1000 towards the end of June. How long does it take for infections to increase due to an event of one sort or another? 2 weeks?

 

The state government (KEMP) did that

 

Post your data that shows that the spike in cases occurred 2 weeks after the April 27 opening and not 2 weeks after the May 29 riots. This is simple.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-virus-data-to-reopen-then-voided-mask-orders

But the same week Kemp ordered the reopening, his administration began presenting data in a way that made the state appear healthier than it was, said Thomas Tsai, a professor at Harvard University’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

The technique involved backdating new cases to the time of first symptoms or taking a test, instead of reporting them as they were reported to the state, like Georgia had previously done -- and like most states do.

The effect -- as states were being told to predicate their reopenings on two weeks of declining case numbers -- was to artificially make Georgia’s trends look better. The state began adding new cases to past dates on its trend line, making current numbers both too low and incomplete, Tsai said.

“What’s deceptive is that they shave off the most recent two weeks,” he said. “If you look at the most recent two weeks, it’s always very low. It always looks artificially like a downward trend.”

 

So? I have no idea what you think "change his tune" means. You think it means "holding back" until it's the right moment to do it? If that's the case, you have a very weird view of how science and the world work.

Nothing in that scenario is accurate. But I don't see what point you are trying to make. So I have no idea which of the inaccuracies to address.

Obviously. But they are the only ones that continue the spread out of ignorance and irresponsibility. If you take all precautions you can, and something bad happens, you cannot be held responsible. If the same thing happens because you did not take all the precautions, it is your responsibility.

 

He ORIGINALLY said that masks weren't recommended.
He LATER said that masks were recommended.

Changing one's tune = Making contradictory statements.

It's impossible to know who is responsible since nobody can determine when, where or how they became infected (which is what I was trying to explain earlier).

 

Look what they did in New York



This is nonsense, of course. Protests held out in the open, especially those in which the majority of people were wearing masks did not create any significant uptick in infections. In fact, studies show that in some instances it created a decrease as more people in the cities affected tended to stay at home

https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408.pdf

 

They are NOT contradictory statements. They were not recommendable originally. They were recommended afterwards.

Just like an airplane pilot is taught to retract the landing gear at the beginning of a flight, and to extend it at the end. Your "logic" would say that the flight instructor is "changing their tune"?????

What nonsense!

More nonsense..

It's easy to determine who is responsible for the increase in the number of infected and for extending the length of the pandemic. I just explained it to you. You ignoring my explanation does not change the fact.

 

That is not the same thing at all. He specifically said that masks are not recommended. He didn't say they aren't recommended because we want to stockpile them for health care workers.

So, there should be a ton of lawsuits against unmasked people since they are so easy to identify, right?

 

Where the hell did you get the idea that you would see the change "2 weeks later"?

 

Oh my God! Of course he wouldn't say that!!!

Actually, I don't what he said or didn't say because you provide no quotes. You just throw in ... claims about what he said... But I know he's not a total moron who would say something so stupid.

No. There will be a lot of people dead because of them. And you're worried about "lawsuits"?

By the end of this there will be millions of people who either lost a loved one, or who are caring for somebody that will suffer the life-long health consequences of Covid 19. They will look at all those who refused to wear a mask with justifiable despise.

And people who refuse to wear a mask today will be hiding and denying their stupidity for the rest of their lives. But they know who they are. Some of them might feel guilty. But the real Trumpist is like Trump: a sociopath with no regards for anything other than themselves. Those will only care if it was they themselves who suffered the consequences. But most will find satisfaction in the fact that nobody sued them. Because it's lawsuits, not human life, what concerns them.

 

I posted a YouTube video several messages back in this conversation with you. He openly admitted that he did not recommend masks initially because he did not want there to be a shortage for medical care providers. It doesn't make him a moron. That makes him a liar.

No, I'm not worried about lawsuits. I am pointing out that it's impossible to know if a maskless person or an asymptomatic masked person or some other encounter has caused someone to get the virus.

And, since we don't know, we cannot possibly know when and how to re-open schools. We are still fighting an invisible enemy and, as such, we shouldn't be putting students and all the staff and faculty at risk.

 

Making sure that doctors and nurses can get the PPE that they need to do their jobs is a BAD THING?

He's a "LIAR"?

What a bizarre claim

Those that use that as a reason not to wear masks would use whatever they could find. THAT is not the reason they resist...it is a rationalization.

 

No, of course not. I wholeheartedly support the front line health care workers to have what they need to do their very important jobs.

He explained why he lied and the reason makes sense. However, that doesn't make it any less of a lie.

Correct. People that don't want to use masks will find a reason or even no reason and will find a way to rationalize it. Those kind of discussions are peppered all over this forum.

 

Not to any reasonable people

Nor does it make it a reason to act confused about mask wearing or to attack Fauci. Please stop doing so.

It adds nothing to the discussion and serves no useful purpose

 

you're not reasonable if you think a mask is going to protect you. It's like thinking of prayer is going to protect you.

You are most likely to get it by breathing the same air as someone who is infected. Masks to not filter out viruses.

But please walk around with your false sense of security.

 

I've done neither.

 

I was wrong --- it would have been 5 days since that is the average incubation period. There is a distribution between 1 and 14 days where most cases show symptoms if they are going to show symptoms and an insignificant number of outliers that may or may not be true incubation period indicators. In summary, given the chart I posted, the Georgia spike in cases cannot be attributed opening on April 27 and was most likely caused by the riots on May 29.

What Is the Incubation Period for the New Coronavirus?
To learn the incubation period for the coronavirus, researchers studied dozens of confirmed cases of COVID-19 reported between Jan. 4 and Feb. 24, 2020. These cases included only people who knew that they’d been around someone who was sick.

On average, symptoms showed up in the newly infected person about 5 days after contact. Rarely, symptoms appeared as soon as 2 days after exposure. Most people with symptoms had them by day 12. And most of the other ill people were sick by day 14. In rare cases, symptoms can show up after 14 days. Researchers think this happens with about 1 out of every 100 people.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus-incubation-period

Incubation period
The COVID-19 incubation period, or the time between catching the virus and starting to show symptoms, is often around 5–6 days, but it can range from 1–14 days.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19#incubation-period

Coronavirus Incubation Period:
Last updated: March 12, 15:00 GMT
2 - 14 days
Possible outliers: 0 - 27 days
Summary of findings:

• 2-14 days represents the current official estimated range for the novel coronavirus COVID-19.
• However, a case with an incubation period of 27 days has been reported by Hubei Province local government on Feb. 22 [12]
• In addition, a case with an incubation period of 19 days was observed in a JAMA study of 5 cases published on Feb. 21. [13]
• An outlier of a 24 days incubation period had been for the first time observed in a Feb. 9 study.[11] WHO said at the time that this could actually reflect a second exposure rather than a long incubation period, and that it wasn't going to change its recommendations.
• Period can vary greatly among patients.
• Mean incubation period observed:
  3.0 days (0 - 24 days range, study based on 1,324 cases)
  5.2 days (4.1 - 7.0 days range, based on 425 cases).
• Mean incubation period observed in travelers from Wuhan:
  6.4 days (range from 2.1 to 11.1 days).

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-incubation-period/

 

Still pretending not to know that masks worn by OTHERS are your best defense?

 

After Tuesday, June 30 protests that seemed peaceful and responsible,

New York’s coronavirus cases fell again Sunday, just two days after there were an alarming new 918 infections, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said.


The new cases statewide dropped to 533, closer to the state’s numbers before the spike on Friday, which was the highest since mid-June.


New infections were at 391 on June 29, then jumped to 918 on Friday, before falling again to 726 on July 4.

https://nypost.com/2020/07/05/coronavirus-cases-fall-again-in-new-york-after-alarming-uptick/

As would be expected, there was a surge in cases after the protests.

Mardi Gras (March was held out in the open --- decimated the Zulus and caused the spike in the south

International Women's day in Madrid Spain (Feb 25) --- attracted feminists from Europe and around the world to share the disease heating up in Italy

 

Changing your story when you got called out?

 

Nah, you getting lost doesent mean he changed his story. Masks worn by others are what make it effective. That has always been the case.

 

Lol pathetic.