Senior Trump official: 'We Were Wrong, He's a Fascist'

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  1. Modus Ponens

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    From the New York Intelligencer: from a senior member of Trump's Admin, in response to the insurrection Trump incited at the Capitol Building:

    “This is confirmation of so much that everyone has said for years now — things that a lot of us thought were hyperbolic. We’d say, ‘Trump’s not a fascist,’ or ‘He’s not a wannabe dictator.’ Now, it’s like, ‘Well, what do you even say in response to that now?’”

    “The legacy of the Trump administration is going to be that the president sparked an insurrection and people died because he tried his best to not abide by the Constitution and the tradition of a peaceful transition of power that’s been the norm since our founding. Nothing else is even going to be a side note.”
     
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    People around here get offended that I refer to Trump as a Fascist and to Trumpism as Fascism. But speaking the truth does have the tendency to offend; just as much of political speech in general, does. That should never deter us from calling things by their true names, and should not be grounds for cancelling my threads.
     
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    I loved this paragraph:

    This adviser, who spoke to Trump on Wednesday amid the siege, said Trump watched the events on television intently. CNN reported that he was so excited by the action, it “freaked out” some staffers around him. The adviser told me that Trump expressed disgust on aesthetic grounds over how “low class” his supporters looked. “He doesn’t like low-class things,” the adviser said, explaining that Trump had a similar reaction over the summer to a video of Brad Parscale, his former campaign manager, shirtless and drinking a beer in his driveway during a mental-health emergency in which police tackled him and seized his weapons. “He kept mentioning, ‘Oh, did you see him in his beer shirt?’ He was annoyed. To him, it’s just low class, in other words.”
    It's just amazing how his followers are blind to how he really views them.
     
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    It is amazing. The populists and nationalists can seize on Obama's words, caricaturing them with their "bitter clingers" invective; but the evidence abounds that Trump is openly contemptuous of them, on very personal, cultural grounds - yet they still are blindly devoted to him. Such is the gravitational pull of Authoritarian ideology. Sad!
     
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    Even sadder still is that if he weren't born to Fred Trump the loser likely accomplishes nothing in his life.
     
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    Wednesday was so terrible, such a monstrous betrayal, such a dark day for the country, it didn't seem appropriate to say it at the time. But I'll say it now.
    Many of us have been saying things like he's a wannabe dictator for a long time. Pointing to the obvious signs. Pointing to the disregard for law and institutional norms. Pointing to the self-emersion.
    It was labeled TDS and worse. We were called whiners. Told we were butt hurt. Told we were sore losers.
    We had it exactly right. They had it exactly wrong.
     
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    Like many Trump administration staffers, he isn't very bright if it took him four years to get it. Too little, too late.

    There will be many more of these 11th Hour "conversions." These people have a black mark on their reumes, and they know it. They think that denouncing Trump will help them get employed after next week.

    More rats fleeing the sinking ships
     
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    Off topic: I effing LOVE your avatar. :giggle:
     
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    Hurray? Look, no one wanted the events of 1/6/2021 to ever happen. It's a date where people will ask: "Where were you when the siege on the Capitol happened?"
    I still think we could have averted course if our political dialect were healthier. You can't tell me the people wouldn't have benefited from the 1.5 to 2 trillion dollar infrastructure deal where the Speaker goes: "He's hiding something"

    Even if he were, Madam Speaker your obligation is first and foremost to your fellow citizens and not your ego. She and the Democrats stirred the pot to make Wednesday possible. Let's be clear : The buck stops with Trump but everyone contributed.
     
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    No one? Except for the tens of thousand of QAnon, Oathe Keepers, Proud Boys and Boogaloo Boys who planned the attack and carried it out. And perhaps Trump himself, aka Captain Chaos.

    Not to mention the very probable news that came from from a credible NJ rep about the possible complicity of several House reps who gave some of those people private "tours" of the Capitol on Jan. 5.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/12/mikie-sherrill-capitol-hill-attack-458655

    Plenty of people wanted this seditious even to happen. Trump had been inviting them to come to DC via many tweets and such. The more organized groups used social media to plan their trip to DC, what to bring along, what their part on this would be, and so forth.

    Don't put this on the Democrats. This was Trump and his family and best buddies stirring up anger over the so-called stolen election.
     
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    In the quoted post, I give Trump full culpability for what happened, when all avenues were exhausted he should have conceded immediately to President Biden.
    But we also cannot ignore for posterity what happened before then. Essentially everyone clamored for him to be a dictator, evil person etc that he finally capitulated and became one.

    Democrats don't come out of this smelling pretty, no one does.
     
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    Please tell me you're kidding.

    Leopards can't change their spots. His basic personality and nature were formed by the age of 3, just like the rest of us. He is what he's always been: a narcissistic, egotistic con man. He cares about his giant, fragile ego. Nothing else has ever mattered to him.

    I lived in NYC for about ten years. Trump was well known there, long before he ran for office. He was the same then as he is now.

    People who voted for him were either unaware of what he really was, or have never heard the fable about the frog and the scorpion.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog
     
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    They have heard the fable of the woman and "The Snake," though. How's this for a head-spinning piece of irony (from the 2016 campaign):

    Trump reads "The Snake" poem - YouTube
     
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    For our posterity, Trump's rank criminality will be placed in context with the decline of the "Grand Old Party" into Faction, demagoguery, and Authoritarianism. And the Democrats will, in the light of history, be lauded for the brave stand they took against it. All of it.
     
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    I'm sure this 'senior Trump Advisor' has a name, right? Because we all know that anonymous sources are infallible, and to be trusted to always speak the truth, some would like to know that they speak the truth so loudly, they are proud of who they are.

    Right?
     
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    Oh look. An unnamed source talking to a leftist rag - posted here due to the OP's conformation bias.

    Nothing to see here, move along...
     
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    Sure, you're free to suggest that the journalist is simply lying and made up the quote out of whole cloth. This in spite of the fact that anonymous quotation of gov't officials has been a standard practice since the Watergate era (and as a journalistic practice has exploded, during Trump era, for pretty obvious reasons. The reasons why an aide working at the WH would not go public with such accusations at this moment, are also pretty obvious).
     
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    Well no - we get a chuckle out of if because it only demonstrates you have no idea what fascism is.
    This is further proven by your topic where you had to re-define "fascism" to get it to (almost) fit (barely) into the actions (you claim but cannot prove) Trump took.
     
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    You have no evidence to the contrary.
     
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    Maybe he doesn't have a dictionary, the internet, or the History channel!
     
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    Empty claims, de rigueur for you.
     
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    As anonymous quotation is a standard journalistic practice, the burden of proof is on those who claim the journalist is lying.
     
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    People wanted to believe that he wasn't a dictator and gave him a chance to prove he wasn't. Eventually, it was impossible to deny who he really was and had always been.
     
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