September 2023, 3 years into Sanders presidency..

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  1. Mike12

    Mike12 Well-Known Member

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    Donald Trump is way ahead in the republican primary polls and all of a sudden, there is BREAKING news:

    A whistleblower within the white house files a complaint to inspector general citing allegations of a quid pro quo where Bernie sanders tells china he won’t agree to a reduction in tariffs if china doesn’t look into Trump’s corrupt actions back in 2019.

    It turns out that an audio recording surfaces of Trump boasting about forcing china to fire a prosecutor (threatening severe tarriffs) who was looking into fraud and corruption in one of China’s biggest banks, where Donald Trump junior happened to be a board member, earning 150k a month. No-one can figure out why Donald Trump jr would be a board member of a bank in China but the suspicion is that perhaps he was there just because of his father (maybe China thought they could get Trump to lower tarriffs by being generous to jr). The prosecutor is fired and the matter is never looked at.

    Republicans claim Bernie is abusing his power, trying to take out a political rival, there is uproar. Bernie comes out and unapologetically proclaims: ‘Trump must be held accountable for his corrupt actions, whether he is a rival or not, is irrelevent!’

    To my lefty friends, how many of you would be up in arms, demanding Bernie gets removed from office? Would Schiff, Nadler, Pelosi be preparing the impeachment proceedings?
     
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    Hmmm, let’s see if we can spot the difference here. Was trump vice president in 2019 and carrying out the presidents foreign policy with international support, the way biden was? Nope. There’s your first fail.

    is trump a domestic political rival for sanders in 2023, and did he withhold funds without telling congress, like trump? If the answer is no, there is your second fail.
     
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    Mike12 Well-Known Member

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    what’s the difference between a VP carrying out president’s policy or president himself? It’s the same, it’s the president’s policy.

    and as i lay out in OP, trump is leading the polls in republican primary at the time..
     
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    It avoids the “personal gain” issue that got trump into trouble.

    Sorry I missed that part. In that case, Bernie would be just as wrong as trump was
     
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    Mike12 Well-Known Member

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    would you support removing him?
     
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    Sirius Black Well-Known Member

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    I would support a through and fair bi partisan investigation that presented the truth to the American voter and then let them decide.
     
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    Well, since China doesn’t have prosecutors your audio recording will be deemed fraudulent and inadmissible. Furthermore you will be tried and convicted of treason with the mandatory sentence of death only to have President Trump pardon you as you’re staring down the barrels of 7 high powered assault rifles seconds before your execution.

    Most trials in China are administered by a collegial bench made up of one to three judges and three to five assessors. Assessors, according to the State Constitution, are elected by local residents or people's congresses from among citizens over twenty-three years of age with political rights or are appointed by the court for their expertise. Trials are conducted by the inquisitorial system, in which both judges and assessors play an active part in the questioning of all witnesses.
     
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    yes
     
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    There is an elephant-sized donkey in the room of the Biden corruption scandal; which is that no U.S. vice president can hold up money earmarked for a foreign power unless the president of the United States -- Barack Obama -- approved of the shakedown. That has never even been hinted at by the nation's Mainstream Media. One could almost wonder . . . why.
     
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    It was U.S. and IMF policy broadly agreed to by the EU. The president made the order. There was no personal quid pro quo for any party involved and it was in public and open. In short, there is nothing there.

    Nothing here approaches the Trump shakedown. I thought this was public knowledge.
     
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    opion8d Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have no idea how others might respond but the short (Independent) answer is, yes. It seems like a situation that demands investigation but I don't know the details beyond what you have posted.
     
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    Except--There IS No "Biden Corruption Scandal".

    (That "Scandal" only exists in some people'minds. Just as Roswell Aliens and Bat Boy "exist").

    ^Which is WHY the "Mainstream Media" (or any other legitimate source) doesn't even care.

    Also, If Obama committed such an egregious "crime"--Then, why isn't he serving a long stretch in Federal Prison?

    Tl;Dr--Everything Wrong with The World is NOT Obama's Fault.
     
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    No- they would be asking Bernie how they could get their family members on the China bank payroll too......
     
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    Ouch! Two leftists in a row admitting that my perfectly sound observation struck against their delicate political nerves -- hard. Last year Biden openly bragged about violating the law in a quid pro quo deal with Ukraine and logic dictates that he couldn't have even threatened to do that had not Obama been in the loop. But fear not, Obama will never be called to task for any iota of illegality or corruption that ran rife though his administration and presidency. So . . . no worries.
     
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    This wouldn't happen because unlike Trump, Sanders would be informed, or at least, solicit information that would clarify the situation before making himself look like a totally uninformed fool, as Trump did when speaking to Zelensky.

    Thus unlike Trump, Sanders would know that:

    (a) the Prosecutor wasn't "good" - he was infamously corrupt and hampering anti-corruption efforts
    (b) that US policy dictated that aid to China was contingent on anti-corruption efforts
    (c) that all others providing aid to China had the same policy
    (d) that therefore all agreed that the prosecutor had to be fired
    (e) that it was common practice for Chinese companies to hire prominent names to Boards, to increase their appeal to Western investors - and pay very well for the privilege.
     
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    Presidents have to be prepared for Investigations into their actions. It’s called Congressional Oversight. It’s part of Congress’ job description. Just about every President goes through it. A President Sanders would be no exception.

    But close your eyes for a second and imagine that President Obama was caught in his first term paying off porn stars for sex just after Sasha was born.
    Now tell me Trump isn’t held to a lower moral standard than other Presidents .
     
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    More thoroughly DEBUNKED "Talking Points"?:roflol:

    Biden never "bragged" about anything.

    The whole "Biden Bragging" thing is just Mischaracterized RW BS.

    ^And, Everybody KNOWS it.

    At this point the only remaining question is This:

    How much of a remaining shelf life does "It's All Obama 's Fault" have?

    10 Years? 20? More?
     
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    since this was openly a U.S. and IMF policy where was the personal quid pro quo for Biden. The president authorized the policy. What did Biden get out of it? This has been explained to you ad nauseam. I can only surmise you simple don't wish to hear it. Fine, we won't bring it up anymore.

    Since you are so found of accusing the Obama administration of corruption rife within his administration, pleas provide data or links to support your claim.
     
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    If i understand your argument, it is ‘key’ that the person being investigated cannot be a political rival. Am i to extend this argument all the way to it’s logical conclusion which is ‘if you are a political rival, you have a license to be corrupt’ after all, seems this is the defense of biden ‘no matter how corrupt his behavior is, he is untouchable provided he is a candidate in an election and his opponent is the party seeking an investigation’.

    Seems like we have loophole here - be corrupt, abuse the power of the office and enrich yourself off corruption as long as you run for office, this makes you immune to investigations.

    And you may say what’s convenient now but without a doubt in my mind, 99.9% of the left who seek the removal of Trump would justify president Sanders opening an investigation into Trump. In fact, if president Sanders wouldn’t investigate Trump’s alleged corruption, the very same people would go after Sanders and attack him for making excuses as to why he can’t bring Trump to justice. All of you would be raging ‘Trump is not above the law, he can’t avoid investigations just because he’s a political rival, investigate him!!!’.

    We all know this is true and underlines the partisan nature of this impeachment. Let’s not deny what i say is absolutely true.
     
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    the key is not soliciting a foreign government to investigate a domestic political rival for personal political gain.
     
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    so biden can be investigated by someone else, just not trump.

    you can’t weasel your way out of the premise of your argument which is biden can be investigated, just not by trump.

    if you argue biden shouldn’t be investigated, then this also discredits your position. Biden abused the power of of his office to protect his son from an investigation, a son who was enriching himself only because of who his dad was. The fact that you all think there is ‘nothing there’ and should not be investigated, discredits you bigly.
     
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    Correct. But needs to go through the proper channels.

    I am not the try not to weasel from anything. You have a terrible habit of pretending I’m doing something I’m not.
    Nope. He was sent by the president, with international support, to remove a corrupt prosecutor.


    The fact you have to make **** up discredits you more.
     
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    If Donald Trump is suspected of corruption, I support the inquiry.
     
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    Where's the pvt citizen going to China demanding the reduction of tariffs and where's the bribe money?
     
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    all facts, denying them doesn’t make them false.

    There is contradictory info on what happened with investigation of burisma holdings. Some info points to pressure biden exerted on ukraine to fire prosecutor general who was looking into the matter, some info points to biden exerting pressure as he felt prosector was not doing his job. Meanwhile, hunter biden is on the board of burisma, with 0 credentials to be there, enriching himself.

    this issue is simple, this warrants an investigation, a thorough one, because it smells, it’s fraught with conflicts of interest and convenient coincidences (corruption at burisma, hunter biden making lots of $$ in a position he is unqualified for and his dad interfering with prosecutor general office).

    an investigation here is warranted, if there is nothing there, then nothing for biden to worry about.

    In the end, if this would’ve involved trump and his son, lefties would be marching down the streets demanding an investigation.
     
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