Serious question -- what do Trump supporters think the citizenship question was supposed to DO?

If they read their email, they're finding out today. I've got 4 browser windows open Senate committees and GOP super PACs are getting an earful this morning.

 

Number of people reported by census, which is important for determining what a community needs in terms of, for instance, Congressional representation, school teachers, etc., subtract number of non-citizens, subtract number of those who we know are here legally (we should know due to things like, how many green cards have been issued) and we know the remainder is here illegally or unlawfully.

 

Some of us see exactly what the GOP is trying to do to the republic. Namely, rig the system to ensure the views of the majority are thwarted.
Trump Admits Census Citizenship Question Is About Elections and Districting
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-census-citizenship-elections-856124/

 

No, they're both about representation. The first essentially restates what was already in A1, minus the 3/5 provision, and the second says any state that denies suffrage to the specified citizens gets reduced representation.

I never said any such thing.

 

Somehow, Democrats got a conservative Supreme Court to agree with them. Perhaps the purpose of the question wasn't really to determine who's here illegally?

 

Strange,,,,then why did you say this....

I suppose that you could argue that you said illegal aliens and I said citizenship.....but you were responding to me, and I was the one talking about a citizenship question. Just because you changed it to illegal aliens in this context is a meaningless and thus silly distinction

 

If you're basing representation on non-citizens then its not actually the views of the majority.

 

It's already rigged lmao.... Illegals are being counted to determine representation in us elections including the presidential election.

 

If the actual motivation for the census question, maintaining more congressional seats for Repubs by under counting the population of districts, was completely justified and above board..............why has the Trump admin been lying about it from day one?

"Before departing for his 202nd day in office spent at one of his golf clubs, President Donald Trumpopenly admitted that the reason he wants to add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census is to discriminate against non-citizens by not counting them when drawing Congressional districts. This would be a major change to how legislative representation has always been calculated and a departure from what the framers of the Constitution intended."
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-census-citizenship-elections-856124/

'The Constitutional Convention considered saying that a state's congressional seats would be based on the number of "free citizens and inhabitants" but rejected that in favor of the word "persons."

When Congress was debating the 14th Amendment, which provides further census guidance, it used the term "persons" instead of "citizens" or "voters."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/su...-question-census-n1026951?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

 

Democrats have been over counting illegals since the 70's when the majority of Censuses didn't have a citizen ship question. It got especially bad between 88 to 92 when California had its highest jump in ec

 

"In a 1964 case involving the one-man, one-vote principle, the Supreme Court said, "The debates at the Convention make at least one fact abundantly clear: that when the delegates agreed that the House should represent 'people,' they intended that in allocating congressmen, the number assigned to each state should be determined solely by the number of the state's inhabitants."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/su...-question-census-n1026951?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

 

So people not contributing to our government from foreign lands should be counted as well. Taalk about disenfranchising actual citizens

How long do they have to be in the state before they can be counted too?

I say we count tourists too seems fair to actual citizens

Seems we have found the reason for Democrat open borders too nullify actual citizens voting power by artificially raising their states ec vote

 

That's what the EC did in 2016.

 

The 14th amendment may just require a citizenship question for voting in a General election. Part 2 of the 14th.

 

Fake ec numbers inflated by counting illegal immigrats

 

Yup, and three instances of and about Citizens, so, in this strange set of leftist interpretation, I WIN

 

I think we are in agreement.

Section 2 tried to take the “five-fifths” windfall away from former slave states, by depriving them of House and electoral-college power for citizens to whom they denied the ability to vote. @ButterBalls

Has nothing to do with illegals. Illegals have never been able to vote.

 

Well it was the democrats that railed and cried that it was a conservative supreme court! Party really shouldn't play in to their rulings, and apparently it didn't in the instance

I still stand by my opinion, not because this one instance but from decades of leftist denigration of fact finding and refusal to follow even the simplest word of law(S).

 

Actually, the EC is disproportionately skewed so that low population red states are over represented.

 

That's far to many facts.. Leftist will never adhere to a string logic of that magnitude!

 

Why Trump’s Census Play Is Blatantly Unconstitutional
We owe Congress’ control of the Census not just to the Constitution, but to Republicans doing the right thing in the 1920s. Now Trump wants to roll it all back.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/07/11/trump-census-history-227353

"President Donald Trump already suffered one stinging defeat when the Supreme Court invalidated his effort to add a “citizenship question” to the 2020 census. Now he’s decided to try again, threatening to issue an executive order commanding the Census Bureau to add the question to its survey, and ordering the Justice Department to defend his action in on-going legal proceedings.

If Trump moves ahead, he will be threatening a centuries-old consensus that puts Congress in charge of the Census. This legal foundation has been tested and reaffirmed repeatedly throughout American history—the last time when another Republican Party threatened by immigration considered modifying the census process to fit their political ends."

 

The purpose of the question is to intimidate illegals, or anyone who may be easily mistaken for an illegal, into not filling out the census. The idea is to intimidate Hispanics, who are the one ethnic group who are most easily and commonly mistaken for illegals, into not filling out the census, which would result in their being underrepresented in the legislatures and less powerful in the government overall.

I think this is obvious to anyone and most Trump supporters know this and support it for that reason. This gives the lie to their constant bleating that they have no animus against Hispanic citizens but only Hispanic illegals.

(The members of this board who say differently are all, of course, expressing their honest opinions and feelings as they always do, but they are not all of the Trump supporters there are)

 

Asking the question is a way of saying America does not accept your presence here and you will not be counted in our census. Not asking the question and counting them is a step towards legitimizing illegals in America

 

You just quoted a source saying 'people' are counted including illegals so that would give those states more power than they should have

 

But that is the leftist organization’s mission, to diminish love of country, reduce or eliminate self reliance and give government total control of their lives for a fixed monthly allowance..

And the indentured illegals are an intricate part of their plan, Old south, New day, Different race