Serious question -- what do Trump supporters think the citizenship question was supposed to DO?

The house is there to represent citizens? Nope!

Sorry, Congress represents all who reside within the US and pay taxes. Only citizens can VOTE, but that doesn't mean they are the only ones represented. Read the constitution again. Note the part about Indians who don't pay taxes. They are the ones excluded from the census as they are not represented by the US government. Everyone else is. Even slaves though at 3/5's a freed person. Also note that people who are contracted into servitude, that is, whites who were in bonded service were counted in the census. Guess how many times they voted. Oh and there was not definition of citizen ship until the 14th amendment in case you were clueless there too.

 

How do you know illegal aliens are paying taxes? If not, by your own words, Congress isn't here to represent them. The rest of what you say is irrelevant as it has been handled through various amendments. Not sure why you'd bring it up unless of course to put up a bunch of fluff to hide the weakness of your argument...

 

Residency goes to paying taxes both in states (who have varying definitions of residency) and at the federal level (where the definitions are largely determined by the IRS). It has nothing to do with legal or illegal immigration status. If you reside within the US, you pay federal taxes if you meet those guidelines. The same for if you reside in a state. Your immigration status is separate and irrelevant to residency. Remember, representation in Congress is about paying taxes. And illegal immigrants PAY taxes. Some may not pay federal income tax, but spoiler alert, some citizens don't do that either. Should we strip someone who doesn't pay the taxes they owe legally of their citizenship? Please say yes...

 

Did they go to the store and buy something? Then they paid taxes. Did they put gas in a vehicle? Then they paid taxes. Did they pay rent? Then they helped a property owner pay taxes. Everyone who resides in the US pays taxes in some form. You are only thinking of income tax, but that's a flaw in your thinking. And you are forgetting payroll taxes that many here illegally have removed from paychecks and yet will never see that money back again in the form of any benefit. That's not a sob story, but a statement of fact. So yes, I know they pay taxes and thus are entitled to representation per the constitution.

 

Pretty sure that's not how its defined. Perhaps if you had something that provided some evidence of what you are saying it might be believable. Those illegals send a lot of money home, billions a year. All of that money, well more with American wages, would be spent locally without those criminals stealing jobs and sending it overseas. You have provided nothing that would state Congress represents illegal aliens. Perhaps you can show us even once candidate or past politician that has made such a claim. Otherwise I'm calling BS...

 

https://www.census.gov/history/pdf/Article_1_Section_2.pdf

Pretty sure it is.

So tell me, which are illegal immigrants? Are they excluded Indians? Or are they all other Persons...? Since all other Persons were slaves, and we abolished slavery, no one can be counted in that group. And they aren't excluded Indians unless you are willing to concede they are native to this country before you. Therefore, they are free Persons including those bound to service and are thus counted.

The rest of your statement is irrelevant. What they do with their money is no business of yours. They aren't stealing jobs because you can't steal a job, YOU as a citizen aren't entitled to or own a job. Sorry. And it doesn't matter what politicians claim, the text from the constitution is clear.

 

You're not a resident of the united states unless you have received permission to enter the country. Period.

You cannot be a resident when you are unlawfully present in ANY case.

I'm pretty sure being in the country illegally has something to do with immigration status.

No, illegal immigrants file fraudulent tax returns, as the only way to legally file a tax return is to have an ITIN or an SSN.

I'm sure they do file taxes though, as they get more back than they pay. It's about a 5 to 1 return for illegals.

 

This is all your definition. It has no basis other than your opinion on residency. Sorry.

Immigration status is different than residency. Please use google. It's your friend, I promise.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=federal+residency

I'm sure many don't file tax returns, despite paying taxes.

https://www.selflender.com/blog/undocumented-immigrants-file-taxes

Again, google is great. Use it. If they use fake docs to work, they have income taxes withheld. They rarely file because if they did, that would provide a paper trail back to them. Of course not filing eventually gets you in trouble as well even if you withhold more taxes than you owe, but less trouble and scrutiny than not paying any taxes would. No, filing a fraudulent tax return is risky. Most illegal immigrants want zero attention brought against them. Filling a false return is a GREAT way to get attention.

I'm sure some do, but guess what, so do some citizens! Please tell me that anyone who defrauds the federal government on their tax returns should be deported...go on...

 

No, this is the definition of lawful presence in the United States.

If you do not have permission to reside in the US, you are unlawfully present.

As for your "but muh illegal aliens pay teh taxes", who cares? You think this is some kind of argument that justifies being illegally present in the US and then illegally working in the US?

Sure. They should be deported because they are residents of another country.

 

No, they are not. They are foreign nationals illegally present in someone else's nation. Residency is a status GRANTED via specific legal process.

But yes, they do reside somewhere .. their own nations. Invading is not even remotely the same thing as residing.

 

If anyone here has provided any reason to think my position needs defending, it sure as hell isn't you.

Be my guest.

Depends on how that's defined. If you mean constitutionally enumerated rights, that's correct; but of course there are innumerable unenumerated rights the Constitution was adopted to secure, not least among them the right of America to assert its own sovereignty so as to protect the rights - enumerated or otherwise - of Americans.

 

Slavery was settled by amendment, you can stop whining about that now as its not relevant. Indians were given treaties and sovereignty, totally different issue you are woefully ignorant of. The only people that the US Congress can represent are US citizens, that's as far as Constitutional powers go. All those illegal aliens or even legal immigrants are already represented, by the country they came from. If you can't even understand the basics of sovereignty, you really have no business discussing anything involving more than one country...

 

So your response was just a snide comment not anything of substance..

 

You are entitled to that inane opinion, of course, but the record clearly testifies to the contrary.