Settlements liable to turn Israel into an apartheid state

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  1. moon

    moon Well-Known Member

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    Of course, and you just made it for me again. Israel is more than a State of ' jewish ' character and it is a homeland for people other than jews.
    It's Israeli racists who are attempting to force their own characteristics upon the rest of the nation.
     
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    And Iran has more than just Muslims in it too not to mention how Portugal has more than ethnic Portuguese, France more than ethnic French, Egypt and Syria Arabs and yet they have enshrined these ethnictictiies into their national identity and you, moon have just turned your back on those poor non Portuguese/Arabs/French/Muslims/Arabs to concentrate on the Mod edit,,flounder [stop with the slurs]
     
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    Another example of ' whataboutery '.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is way too early to wring hands Moon. Israel will stop being Jewish State soon as the number of arabs and whoever exceeds the number of Jews there. Just like Russia will stop being Russian State soon after number of Russians drops under 50% there. Loooooong, looooooon wait, Moon :)

    Will never happen, actually.
     
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    How so ? Are the neoZionists putting something in the arabs' water ?
     
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    Israel isn't an Apartheid state.

    Not the way South Africa or the Jim Crow South was.

    or the way Saudi Arabia is.
     
  7. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ever heard of limiting one type of immigration in favor of another? Perfectly legal, Moon, cries of Israel haters notwithstanding...

    Just a side note - it is very hard to debate you, Moon, since you do not reply with quotes. I understand why you do that, but still :wall:
     
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    You're right. It's called ' Hafrada ' in Israel. Same thing though.
     
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    Anytime you want to play ' My quote versus Your quote '- let me know.
    Yours are invariably fantaganda though so there ain't much in it for me.
     
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    Let us know when Israel has Jew-only buses, Jew-only trains, Jew-only stores, Jew-only elections, Jew-only water fountains, Jew-only bathrooms, all official Israeli govt. policy.

    Till then, you're just making stuff up and engaging in extreme & dishonest hyperbole.
     
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    There are ' jew only ' roads already, I believe- and have you seen that rather large and illegal barrier thingy ? They use that to create ' jew only ' areas.
    It will get much worse if Netanyahu and his coalition fascists pass their apartheid legislation.

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    Remind you of anything ?
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    WTF Moon? If I don't get notification you're responding to my post, how will I know when you do? If there's nothing in it for you, do not bother responding, will yea?
     
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    Quit posting Islamophobic fantaganda and I'll leave your crap be.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All citizens of Israel, be they Jew, Arab, Circassian, Druse, African, can use those roads.
     
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    Former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan, Craig Murray:

    That Israel has become an apartheid state is so self-evident that it is impossible to put the fact back in the box. Sky News’ Sam Kiley said it a year ago, and that was almost as surprising as Kerry’s rush of honesty. A state which has hundreds of laws defining the rights and obligations of its different groups of citizens by their ethnicity, enforcing zoning and separate education and public service provisio, and even limiting the right of defined ethnic groups to live with their spouses, is a state which can be characterized by no other word than Apartheid. Israel’s claims to be a democracy exactly echo the similar claim of apartheid South Africa.

    I am however delighted if the neo-con plan for a “two state” solution is now dead, because that plan was precisely the same plan that South Africa had for its “Bantustan” reserves for black people. The only difference being that Israel has been much more vicious, herded the indigenous population into much smaller and less viable areas than was allowed to the “Bantustans”, subjected them to appalling economic blockade and then continually ripped away more and more of their small amount of land on a daily basis.

    The difference between apartheid South Africa’s Bantustans and the “two state solution”, is that the Israel version is, incredibly, even worse, even more evil.

    As in South Africa, the ONLY acceptable solution for Israel/Palestine is freedom and majority rule. People of goodwill should never again be sidetracked into pursuing the kind of apartheid solutions being pushed by Tony Blair.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/04/the-apartheid-israel-poison-is-out/
     
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    Don't be absurd. No one is trying to force non Jewish Israelis to be Jewish. You keep confusing Israelis with Muslims and Sharia law nations.

    Characteristics? Right Israeli Jews go up to Israeli Arabs every day and say-yoh Muhammed, feel guilty, feel guilty and Muhammed that headache-its a brain tumor think brain tumor. Moe never mind that hookah what you need is some kreplach.

    Give it a rest Moon.
     
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    Lol and what was his take on non Muslims in Muslim nations or blacks and Latinos in the US, the division between ethnics in other nations? Oh no wait he didn't discuss that. well then that settles that. Israel is the only nation where ethnic groups do not get along and want to live together.

    The alleged separation this person might have referred to is no different than the segregation that happens between ethnic groups throughout the world in all countries.

    You want actual apartheid go see what it is like to be black or Pakistani or Filippino in Saudi Arabia or the Gulf states. Go find out what it is like to live as a dhimmi-khafir in the Arab world or Iran.


    The selectivity and double standards you use where you remain silent on far worse segregation in Sharia law nations and between ethnics in other nations speak for itself.

    You might also want to check out the former Ambassador's life style and find out where he lives.

    For that matter before you call anyone racist do tell, do you live as a non racist yourself? Do you live in an open and free society where you live side by side and treat Christians, Jews, Bahaiis, gays, women, Buddists, Hindus, Muslims of the different sects than your own and as equals amdwould allow your children to marry them and hire them you while we are at it have dinner and socialize with such people.


    Would you live in a country where a Jew is an equal to you?

    See if you want to accuse others of being racist then they can ask are you? Are you in the position to call anyone racist?

    I just don't get people who pee up wind and then are surprised they get wet.

    Oh and by the way if Craig Murray says it, it must be true.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...-assange-rape-victim-newsnight_n_1815200.html
     
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    nothing will change if Israel officially refers to itself by what the UN recognized them in 1947.
     
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    Too much drivel here to warrant any more than a short response. Israel is the topic, which surprise, surprise, is why the discussion is about Israel. Your whataboutery aside, the Islamic states to which you refer, do not claim to be liberal democracies, Israel does. Spot the hypocrisy there, do you?
    Now if you want to start a separate thread about Islamic states' - including Israel's close allies, Saudi Arabia - then please do.
     
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    That Moon would quote Craig Murry's subjective opinion that Israel is an apartheid nation is proof of this, speaks for itself.

    It is precisely this exercise I challenge as being completely lacking in credibility.

    The posing of a subjective opinion that is the same as Moon's, propped as proof that apartheid exists in Israel is illogical.

    Subjective partisan opinions are not fact, just subjective partisan opinions.

    Then again Moon argued earlier to another poster his idea of debating is presenting subjective opinions in favour of his poltiically partisan views.

    The problem I have with Moon is he does not further investigate the people he quotes. As soon as he sees someone express an opinion he agrees with, he quotes them.

    The problem with Mr. Murrary is he lacks credibility.

    He claimed he was railroaded by the British government and fired as an Ambassador for leaking anti UK information.

    He then railroaded a woman who claims to have been raped and exposed her name.

    This is someone who criticized another Ambassador for entertaining a particular individual who he himself entertained when eh was Ambassador.

    Mr. Murray of course has made numerous allegations against the UK, Britain and Israel but never provides any evidence just subjective opinions and allegations.

    Is it any wonder then he was thrown out on this thread.

    http://cifwatch.com/tag/craig-murray/

    http://simplyjews.blogspot.ca/2013/09/craig-murray-straightforward-logic-of.html
     
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    What is this exaggerated juvenile gibberish supposed to represent ?
     
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    There was no ' Israel' in 1947 Mod Edit ~ Off topic/Baiting. Don't make it personal.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The United Nations called for the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine, in 1947.

    This Jewish state exists today, and is called Israel.
     
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    There was no ' Israel' in 1947. This repeated horsepoo has no authority.
     
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    What Murray said represents the objective truth. Only those with a pre-conceived partisan agenda deny this reality.
     

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