Seven Year Old Girl Dies in Custody at the Border

Well, ending the drug war might do something. The only problem with that is dealing with the harm the segment of drug users who become hopelessly addicted cause.

I think people need to realize we're not getting the top 10% of their societies through immigration. Perhaps that might be true of legal immigration, to some extent, but that's a small number relative to populations. What we're getting through this mass migration action is the bottom 10%. These are people who have failed in a failed culture, where failure is difficult to achieve.

Further, the problems with these countries are cultural. Even if the drug issue was dealt with, the culture of the people in these countries remains.

That's a bit of a challenge to overcome, and shouldn't even be attempted, IMO.

 

Desperate doesn't approach a proper explanation.

 

But there are very few Asians in CA. How do you create an Asian tiger without Asians?

 

She arrived here illegally and sick along with her Father, for gosh sakes. We spent thousands trying to help her. But she was too far gone. It is monstrous to suggest otherwise.

 

I don't give a **** about the UN.
Her family played games with her life.
They has asylum in mexico

 

Nope.
He parents put her in jeopardy

 

Most drugs grow in the dirt. Cannabis, opiates, cocaine, etc - all of these things literally grow on trees.

If heroin is $10 for a hundred hits people aren't going to steal to support their habit.

There is no honor among thieves. When you brand users, dealers, and cultivators as criminals it breeds crime.

I agree.

The bottom 10% is even more damaging to many of these nations, because without the West giving them a release valve they'd probably overthrow a bunch of these leftist governments and begin a path to prosperity.

What shouldn't?

 

Addicts will always steal to feed their habit. It doesn't matter what the cost is. Don't try to go there. And addicts are certainly going to be a drag on society and social services.

You have a point about the relief valve these failed countries and cultures attempt to use. That's why they do little to nothing to deal with it. Besides, most end up sending money back home if they get here, so that feeds the corruption.

However, closing that valve, which the US must do, won't have much impact. These countries change governments and objectives like we change socks. There is a reason Latin America is a third world region, and it starts with the people in it.

 

I have been heavily addicted to opiates in the past, the stigma that everyone is stealing is not true, I held up a job the whole way through. Functional addiction is real.

My point wasn't that people won't steal, but that when your drug is as cheap as spinach you don't have to steal to quite the same extent.

Cocaine is $300/gm here, that's a TV per night out. The natural cost is orders of magnitude lower than that.

 

I understand it is possible to function on Heroin, Oxy, and other Opiates. There are functional alcoholics.

Such people do many things, and cross many line they promised never to cross, when they are no longer able to function, lose jobs, etc.. I too have my own experience to refer to.

I'm not really to in to the a discussion on drug legalization. I'm a child of the 60's and 70's, and with a few exceptions, there isn't much I haven't tried.

Ending the drug war, IMO, will have little large scale impact in Latin America. Revolution and chaos has been the norm for long before Narcos established empires there.

 

Has the father been charged with child abuse?

 

When locked up a kid, means you take over the responsibility. Currently you sound like a nazi who locks up some Jewish child and watch all the way till it dies, to than blame it on somebody else. It's that utterly retarded.

 

In this case the US played with her life. She died from dehydration after being locked up for 8 hours.
That makes the US responsible for refusing to even give a young little girl a glass of water.
You would expect ISIS is like that.

 

There's lots of water in mexico.

 

you have asylum in the US, so why is Canada getting asylum seekers coming from the US

 

children can die from dehydration very quickly compared to adults

 

You must be providing water when incarcerating a young little girl.
Sounds them American nazi's would provide more care to a random dog.

 

It only takes about 3 days without water for the body's organs start to shut down. A severely dehydrated person will appear extremely exhausted and incoherent. Apparently the girl was with her father and 163 other immigrants in the desert for "several days?" before being rescued by the Border Patrol. Did not one migrant have water to share? Did any of the other 163 migrants suffer from severe dehydration? I think it's a pretty harsh accusation to claim not one person cared about the welfare of the young girl.

 

Probably not in the area where the 163 immigrants tried to cross into the US. The water they did carry was probably not rationed correctly.

 

They had her locked up for 8 hours... so that makes it the problem of the US government, and subsequently the president.

 

And do we know what medical attention she received while in US custody?

 

She did not die as a result of an infection and the autopsy report will prove me to be right. The girls name is Jacqueline Caal. I think it's good to give her an identity, she had one.

She didn't have any infection, she was dehydrated to the point of organ and cardiac failure. Kidneys usually fail first among the organs and stop cleaning waste out of the shrinking blood supply, At that point, the other organs fail in a toxic cascade. It's a painful process.

I doubt very much that we're being given any of the actual facts since the DHS took a whole week to report her death. I even have doubts that the girl arrived in the custody of DHS conscious. I believe that in that stage of dehydration in the hot desert that she was unconscious at the time they were picked up.

There's too much conflicting information and what is reportedly coming from her 29 year old father.

https://www.newstimes.com/news/texas/article/The-Latest-Official-identifies-7-year-old-13466402.php
"The U.S. Border Patrol says a 7-year-old girl who died while she was in custody appeared to be in good health when she was first detained along a remote stretch of the U.S.-Mexico border.

An intake form signed by the girl's father said she wasn't sick, wasn't sweating and seemed mentally alert. The form was obtained by The Associated Press. (*in severe dehydration, a person does not perspire and they are not mentally alert)


Immigration officials briefing reporters say the girl's father told officials that she was sick and vomiting when they were on a bus heading to a Border Patrol station. When they arrived 90 minutes later, the girl wasn't breathing."

Jacqueline Caal is dead, and I'm sure there's other dead children that we'll never learn about. We're all lied to on a daily basis. This is what our government has become, liars, cheaters, con artists and thieves.

 

And... you blame Trump.

 

Border Patrol and DHS is under the direction of the president

 

The girl died due to pre-existing conditions at the time she was taken into custody.
And you blame Trump.