Seven Year Old Girl Dies in Custody at the Border

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  1. Xenamnes

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    Which cannot occur unless sepsis has already developed, which can only come about as a result of there being an infection in the human body to begin with. The citation does not state that sepsis is caused by a chemical imbalance.
     
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    I quote perfectly fine when sepsis.... occurs... and it's when the chemicals are out of balance.
    I sourced dehydration causes a massive chemical imbalance.
     
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    While both conveniently, and deliberately, omitting the portion of the citation stating in outright, uncomplicated terms, that sepsis results from the presence of an infection in the body. An infection that is left untreated and allowed to spread, such as occurred during the travel to the united states by the caravan across the desert of Mexico.

    Specifically, dehydration can cause a chemical imbalance, not the chemical imbalance that results in the development of the condition known as sepsis. The human body does not develop sepsis simply because of a temporary lack of water.
     
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    Negative. Dehydration will cause a chemical imbalance, that includes an attack on the organs, that leads to death.
    And that is right on par in how sepsis goes to sepsis shock.

    And still, the entire point is that US authorities labelled her healthy while she was in their care, while 8 hours later she is fighting for her live. Obviously they failed to provide her adequate healthcare, which lead to her death. THAT is what ultimately matters, you know it, you're just trolling.
     
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    Bet she never does that again.
     
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    Is dehydration immediately fatal, within the first few minutes it is experienced?

    None of which changes the fact that sepsis physically cannot develop unless the individual is already suffering from an already-established infection that has been left untreated and allowed to spread. No manner of citations on the part of yourself are going to change that fact.

    All illegal aliens were given one minute of time for inspection to look for any obvious signs of distress. None were found, and no one in the caravan knew otherwise to communicate the fact the minor in question was in need of aid. by the time they arrived at the crossing point, the minor in question was already on the verge of death and nothing could have been done about such. Had they not brought her on the journey with them, she would likely still be alive today. She was utilized as a purely political pawn and exploited for their benefit, not for her own.
     
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    The US authorities should have noticed she was very ill.
    The key issue

    stop lying. It was about health not distress
     
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    The Mexicans are using dead kids just like the Pallies are doing.
     
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    Add it to the long, long list of growing atrocities committed by the united states both abroad and domestically. Add the minor in question to the ever-growing list of individuals that have been killed by actions committed by the united states government. Add one more name to the lists of people who have valid grievances against the united states government, proving that this death is no different than the hundreds of thousands of others that existed before her, and then move onto the next manufactured social justice outrage.

    And one minute of time for evaluation is insufficient to detect any non-visible signs of serious illness or distress. If the members of the caravan did not have open and bleeding wounds plainly visible, or other serious injuries that present visible signs of existence, they are naturally going to be passed on as not being in serious need of medical care.
     
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    You seem to be struggling for like well over a month to conclude that the US authorities who took the child in their care gave a wrong diagnose claiming she was fine, while she was that sick that she had only hours to live.

    Its been blasted all over that it's a health screening. You're creating fake news.
     
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    If the minor in question only had hours to live at the time, as is being claimed by yourself, then it is the fault of the caravan for not taking the shortest, most direct route, and getting the minor in question to the united states when she still had days to live instead of just hours.

    Perhaps it is the fault of the minor in question for not speaking up and conveying the fact that she did not feel well. How hard can it possibly be for someone, anyone, to draw attention to the fact that they are ill?

    There is no type of health screening in the united states that can be carried out in the course of only one minute of time. It takes far longer than that just to prepare and sterilize an area of the body for the purpose of drawing blood to perform a basic blood work test.
     
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    It is as if I made up that she had hours to live, while it's a fact.

    And I sourced with multiple sources that there was.
    Your lies are pathetic.
     
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    Then it is being admitted to on the part of yourself that the minor in question arrived in the united states well past the point where anything could have been done to save her from dying. Therefore the united states government did not actually fail her, nor did the border patrol agents who were on duty at the time.

    The so-called "sources" cited in the part of yourself claim some sort of screening was performed, but a screening is not a medical test, and it was not carried out by medical personnel. The official timeline for the incident contradicts the entire basis of the claim on the part of yourself, as each illegal aliens was examined for one minute at most. There is no medical test to be had, either in the united states or anywhere else, that can be performed and return precise results within the time frame of one minute.

    Even if there was some sort of medical test that could be performed within the span of one minute, and performed accurately by non-medical personnel, the argument is moot. It has already been admitted to on the part of yourself that the minor in question was hours away from death, thus meaning nothing could be done for her. And as nothing could have been done to save the minor in question from dying, there would have been no point expending finite resources in a futile effort to try and achieve such.
     
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    Nope. They first made a wrong diagnosis. Every second counts, and they made her wait for hours and hours.


    There is nothing wrong with my sources, and they all say it was a medical screening.
    Sorry to burst you fake news bubble.
     
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    Non-medical personnel do not make a diagnosis. Otherwise the assessment of the supposed father, than the minor in question was in good health, would be regarded as a valid determination.

    Standard procedure dictates that unaccompanied minors are transported first, before all others. The minor in question as in the presence of the supposed father, thus meaning she was not unaccompanied, thus meaning she did not qualify for special consideration prior to the single bus leaving for a two and a half hour journey to the next facility, where it would then require two and a half more hours to return.

    Not a single source cited on the part of yourself has claimed a medical screening was performed. Cite them again and prove otherwise.
     
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    At least we didn't have to feed/house her, for 50 years.
     
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    They did passed her through a medical screening. She never should have been able to.
    We've been through this ages ago.

    I got 3 sources in post 1575 that she passed the screening without any signs of health problems.
    I do see that as a medical screening.
     
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    And the assessment is just as wrong now, as it was then.

    Initial screening. Performed by non-medical personnel who have no training in the field of medicine beyond cleaning a wound and applying a bandage. Therefore it was not of a medical nature, and thus the border patrol agents cannot be faulted for passing on the minor in question.

    What YOU yourself may see is not actually relevant to the discussion at hand. This is a discussion pertaining to fact and only fact, not personal opinion.
     
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    And the wrong assessment of the US authorities of that girl who was in the care of the US authorities lead to the death of that girl, by letter her wait for 8 hours until it was too late.

    So you lied when you said "Not a single source cited on the part of yourself has claimed a medical screening was performed. Cite them again and prove otherwise." and now jump on a different train that a bunch of quacks did the medical screening. That doesn't change my above argument.
     

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