Severe weather alert!!!!

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  1. Josephwalker

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    We hear a lot about "severe weather" these days and how it's proof positive that man is warming the planet and changing Earth's climate. Imagine if the following happened now and how it would be even more "evidence" for the cult.
    The Great Gale of January 9, 1880
    "This “freak snow storm” was preceded by a huge windstorm that hit Oregon and southwest Washington the hardest, with winds estimated at 138 mph along the Oregon Coast. The storm generally left Seattle untouched (other than by depositing two feet of snow, on top of several feet already on the ground)."

    Great Olympic Blowdown of January 29, 1921
    This winter windstorm included sustained winds of 113 mph with gusts to 150 mph at North Head, Washington near Cape Disappointment. Gusts in Seattle were estimated around 60 mph. The storm blew down thousands of board feet of timber throughout the region.

    Windstorm of October 21, 1934
    The United States was deep in the Great Depression when this stormstruck 82 years ago. There were reports of 59 mph gusts in downtown Seattle; 70 mph gusts at Boeing Field; and 90 mph on the Washington coast. Newspaper headlines called it “THE WORST GALE IN HISTORY,”

    The Intense Cyclone of November 3, 1958
    The wind gusted to an unbelievable 161 mph at an exposed Cold War radar site atop Naselle Ridge near the mouth of the Columbia River,

    Columbus Day Storm of October 12, 1962
    The Pacific Northwest’s most infamous storm did about $2 billion in damage (in 2016 dollars) from Northern California to British Columbia, and 46 people were killed. Like the storm expected Saturday evening, the Columbus Day Storm had roots in a typhoon in the Western Pacific, with a low-pressure cell tracking close to the coast.

    http://mynorthwest.com/423756/history-of-big-windstorms-in-the-northwest/?
     
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    *sigh*

    Another in a long line of moronic claims that scientists believe a single weather event proves climate change. No climate scientist is saying that - but you think if you pull it out of your ass, it makes it true.

    Whatever.
     
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    Not a single weather event but every so called " extreme weather," event. They are all used as "evidence" of man made climate change. As the OP shows you extreme weather is the norm and not evidence of anything so get over it.
     
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    Again - no scientist is claiming that one weather event is proof. YOU are the one claiming that. It is a fail on your part and a stupid thread to start.
     
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    Changes in extreme storms and frequency were expected and predicted as the atmosphere warms and water vapor content increases. These changes are indeed taking place as we speak and are very likely to become enhanced in the future. With the new Methane releases worldwide it is almost assured that our atmosphere will warm increasingly and what we see now will seem mild in comparison. Basically we have tipped the balance folks and there is no going back at this point....Buckle Up!
     
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    Wrong again. I never claimed one event was used as evidence. My claim is all extreme weather events are used in total as so called evidence. As the OP shows even in this one small location of the PNW extreme weather is normal and evidence of nothing.
     
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    So is " extreme weather" in the location of the OP more extreme now? More frequent now? Make your case.
     
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    I will not bother to "Make My Case" for a couple reasons.

    1) You will not accept anything provided.
    2) It does not matter regardless.
    3) I simply no longer even care.

    Having accepted this inevitable future and the problems it will bring as well as the futility in attempting to change it or people like you, I am now content to simply provide data and be happy I will be dead before this truly gets bad.
     
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    So you convinced me...now what?
     
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    Interesting but doesn't tell me if you think all this extreme weather talk is BS or evidence
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If there was even the slightest chance you were confused about this, a quick review of my posts would instantly clarify.
     
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    It's a simple yes or no question. Is extreme weather evidence of man made climate change. Yes or no? Afraid to answer?
     
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    Now start thinking for yourself
     
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    As it seems to much effort on you part to review posts I will answer though it is not as simple as your mind makes it out to be. Extreme weather was predicted as Climate change and warming of the atmosphere allowed for more water vapor transport. Human activity has most certainly played a major role in the warming through CO2 nd Methane releases above and beyond the natural ability of our system to recycle in the timeline it has been introduced.
     
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    So you seem to be saying extreme weather didn't exist before man started adding C02 into the atmosphere. Did you even read the OP?
     
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    Obviously you simply wish to place your words in my mouth, and they taste quite foul.

    Have A Nice Day:)
     
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    Your words

    "Extreme weather was predicted as Climate change and warming of the atmosphere allowed for more water vapor transport."

    Sure sounds like you mean extreme weather is evidence of man changing the climate and there was no extreme weather before our C02 contribution. You can't have it both ways. If it's evidence of man changing the climate it didn't happend pre industrialization or it did happen but very rarely and then the burden of proof is on you to document a dramatic increase in extreme weather now as opposed to the last few million years. Good luck.
     
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    I do think for myself. That is why I have water stations set up on my property. I am preparing for the water shortages I know are to come. I have figured out how to grow crops using much less water and to capture the little rain we do get. It is my hobby.
     
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    A lot of people that believe in it do.
     
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    How many makes "A Lot" and how many of that lot have you even talked to or heard from?

    I for one accept climate change but well understand a storm, regardless of how strong does not prove it as a reality. In fact severe storms are expected and have always existed, we may just see more of them and probably stronger.
     
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    no its just the leftist peanut gallery that does. Please deny this.
     
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    He can't, so don't hold your breath.
     
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    But you are claiming increased freuency.
    Back it up
     
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    I see this misconception commonly online when people are commenting about a news event regarding unusual weather. These people resist being corrected. Heat waves prove global warming, so they say. Likewise, so do unusually cool spells or unusually wet spells. I didn't see this attitude even 10 years ago.

    I am skeptical on climate change due to my finding suspicious issues in Climategate II emails, specifically with regard to the IPCC sitting on data that contradicted their thesis, pushing scientists to rush studies that weren't peer reviewed, bickering with them over wording, etc. The IPCC is the source for much of the information on the topic and they are simply not trustworthy.
     
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    I imagine you did not deal with internet forums and the AGW debate ten years ago...am I correct? Thus you did not experience what you do today. Also ten years ago there was 10yrs less data involved and 10 less years of weather. As for your beliefs and skepticism they do not really matter in the grand scheme as there is nothing to worry about if you are correct and nothing to be done if not. I do recommend avoiding the old talking points going forward however as they no longer work (if they ever did).
     
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