She had a stillborn baby. Now she’s being charged with murder.

In case you didn't realize it, it's a breaking news development in the story, just came out today.

 

It's lazy thinking that doesn't see a point to anything.

 

No, it's lazy making comments with no point.

 

Here's the UNCHERRY PICKED POST you quoted :Or did you just want to get the words 'woman" and "bad" in the same sentence anyway you could???


And why DID you say ""she must have done something pretty bad""

Didn't you read your OWN POST !!?????

Here, I'll show you what your own post said about what she did : ""a woman whose fetus was stillborn after using meth.""", "" who was 8 1/2 months pregnant at the time of the stillbirth, had admitted recently using the drug.""





But HEY! When all your threads fizzle out, dig up ( a THREAD ) one 8 months old...LOL!!!


The thread is 8 months old and it's lazy for people not to include and address the entire post LOL

 

California Supreme Court allows for murder charges against woman who used meth before delivering stillborn fetus

A California woman whose drug-use authorities have said resulted in the stillbirth of her fetus can be prosecuted on murder charges, the state's Supreme Court has ruled.

Chelsea Becker has been in jail since she delivered her stillborn fetus in 2019, with bail set at $2 million. According to a statement from the Hanford Police Department last year, the coroner's office in Kings County decided to rule the fetus' death a homicide due to toxic levels of methamphetamine uncovered in its system.

Becker, who had been more than eight months pregnant, at the time also admitted to officers that "she used methamphetamine while she was most recently pregnant as late as three days prior to giving birth to the stillborn fetus."

The woman's legal team has since argued there is a lack of evidence proving Becker’s drug use resulted in the loss of the pregnancy.

The charges against her have sparked legal battles as well as criticism from those who believe that addiction is a disease, and that people should not be punished for it.

Philip Esbenshade, executive assistant to Kings County Dist. Atty. Keith Fagundes, on the other hand, argued that the law allows for a murder charge when there is "reckless or indifferent unlawful conduct of a mother that results in the unlawful death of her fetus."

"This is not a case about abortion nor women's reproductive rights," he told the San Francisco Chronicle. "This is a case about a person who did specific acts that resulted in the death of a viable fetus."​

California Supreme Court allows for murder charges against woman who used meth before delivering stillborn fetus (msn.com)
Jessica Schladebeck, December 26, 2020

 

From YOUR post : ""This is not a case about abortion nor women's reproductive rights"""


...so what's it doing in this forum ?

 

That's just what this one person is claiming. Supporters of "women's choice" see it a different way.

If a woman can be prosecuted for using drugs that kill her fetus inside her womb, it's not any great leap to see how that could jeopardize her decision to kill her fetus inside the womb in another situation, obviously.

 

""""Philip Esbenshade, executive assistant to Kings County Dist. Atty. Keith Fagundes, on the other hand, argued that the law allows for a murder charge when there is "reckless or indifferent unlawful conduct of a mother that results in the unlawful death of her fetus."

"This is not a case about abortion nor women's reproductive rights," he told the San Francisco Chronicle. "This is a case about a person who did specific acts that resulted in the death of a viable fetus."

HOW would YOU know how Pro-Choicers see it???

What "other situation" ?

 

Are YOU, FoxHastings, claiming that you personally don't see any problem with a woman being prosecuted for murder for killing her fetus???

 

it's lazy for people not to include and address the entire post LOL

 

Wow you must have had to search for decades to find this anomaly!

Still in no way justifies making wanton homicide legal!

 

Who's trying to justify making "wanton" homicides legal..?


Hasn't Trump made abortion illegal yet ?

 

Abortion is a wanton homicide as I have proven to you repeatedly.

 

Nope, never proved 'wanton"...NEVER


...and what difference does it make...abortion is still legal

 

Yes isn’t it amazing how the right has been pushing this little barrow for years and now they are almost there the backlash is starting to scare them

 

Going Nazi by our Democrats does scare the hell out of me.

 

In you mind, maybe. Not in reality.

What's your next move - are you going to work to shut down IVF facilities? Are you going to try to criminalize RU486? Are you going to demand that the health of the pregnant women never be considered?

 

Why charge her with murder? If she had chosen to actually kill her alive, unborn baby, a doctor would have gladly done it........and, no murder charges would have been filed.

 

In Texas she would have been the target of attack by mercenaries AND the force of law.

Maybe you need to clarify what it is that YOU want the situation to be.

 

My point being, a woman can choose to eliminate her unborn child and, have it done legally, without being charged with murder......yet, a woman who takes illegal drugs and delivers a stillborn baby, is charged with murder.

What's the difference? In both scenarios, the child ends up dead.

I guess they'll do to her, whatever the law in her state, demands.

 

Well, the question is what do you want the LAW to be.

And, you are wrong about women being free to abort. They are not. And, the direction to date is to make it FAR harder if not impossible.

It has been shown that in a large percent of cases women are not aware that they are pregnant until AFTER the Texas time limit.

So, women in Texas can NOT have an abortion without concern about the law or about predators that Texas allows to go after women for their money.

 

The REALITY is that a woman who kills her unborn child one way is charged with murder, and a woman who kills her unborn child another way is not.

There's a massive problem there. In order for these two conflicting positions to co-exist without the massive conflict which goes with massive problems - the observer must warp their own perception of reality. Literally, mentally dwell in a state of unreality.

 

Amen.

I absolutely agree that laws against a woman's choice of personal healthcare are just plain wrong.

The fact that they are totally bereft of all logic is not even slightly strange or unexpected.

 

I am not comfortable with pregnant women drinking and using drugs while pregnant, but I also think it’s extreme to charge them with murder if they miscarry. As the article points out, treating every single miscarriage as a potential murder investigation would be horrific.

 

And yet that is a possibility under Texas law where they are about to ban mifepristone so any woman who has an early miscarriage may be charged with having an abortion