Sheriff called parking spot shooting legal under ‘stand your ground’ laws. Prosecutors disagreed.

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  1. vman12

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    When this guy comes out of the store, most rational people would yell or get the guys attention.

    This guy doesn't do that.

    He puts his hands in his pockets and walks up as non-threateningly as possible. At the last second, he shoves him from the side to catch him by surprise and put him in the prone position.

    Then he advances on him while pulling up his pants.

    He ambushed this guy to get him on the ground. Anyone who's ever fought knows that 99% of your opponents that you put on the ground are in the worst possible position to defend themselves, which is why he did it.

    His acts were intentional, and they were intended to allow him to beat this guy as long as he wanted.
     
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    Thug cops are enforcing their own version of the law, which is to oppress people and get inventory for the profit prison system.
     
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    So how many cops are thug cops and how many cops are good cops?
     
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    Sorry but there is zero indication he intended to beat the guy after the initial assault (shove). Think you're reading into this something you want to see that just isn't there. The shove should not have happened but did not warrant death by this trigger-happy *******.
     
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    On the contrary. I know exactly what I'm talking about.

    You don't walk up with your hands in your pockets and attack at the last second, then walk towards the guy on the ground unless your intent is to beat them.

    His mistake was not waiting until the last second so that the "he took a step back" crowd would have to acknowledge what was actually happening.
     
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    First, I was referring to a hypothetical incident regarding littering and how confronting a litterbug can make things worse. The thing in this case is that the shooter's confrontation with the woman over the parking spot was completely out of place.

    There were other parking spaces available, and unless the owner of the business asked him to patrol the parking lot, it was really none of his concern. Police in most places can't enforce parking violations on private property without the permission of the owner.

    Force with force--if someone gets in your face, you can get in his face, right? Isn't that what she did? Did any of that do anything other than escalate the situation? I think all parties were wrong.
     
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    What about the shooter's self-control? If someone is that much of a baby that he can't take getting knocked on his ass, maybe he shouldn't go around playing badass.
     
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    How do you know it didn't go in a straight path? What kind of bullet was it?
     
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    They were not required to move simply because the shooter told them to. He had no authority because it's not his property.
     
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    Still did not warrant the physical assault which would have landed McGlockton in jail.
     
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    On the entire planet, there might be ten good cops. All the rest are thugs.
     
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    No, they were required to move by law.
     
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    I'm not going to explain bullet ballistics. Not to mention, where it came out is irrelevant.
     
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    He did not cause serious bodily injury. If he was so afraid of that, he should not have been running his mouth about something that was none of his business.

    I didn't attack him, but someone did put a gun in my face because he was afraid I would. I did none of what you said. How you think we would react and how people actually do react is quite different.

    You make a lot of assumptions here. You have certain expectations for human behavior, and you base your opinions on them. You are welcome to those opinions, but there are no rules, no lists of specific dos and don'ts when confronting a person with a gun. All that is merely what you think a person should do.

    We've been through this. Feet are totally relevant. He was turning away from the shooter, not towards him. Even if you can't see the feet, you can see the rest of the body, the hands and shoulders turning away. Try standing about five + feet from someone with a gun pointed at you. You're probably not going to move towards the shooter at that distance because he would have time to fire. Additionally, try standing in the same position with the same footing as the victim and notice what your body would have to do to attack a person who was slightly off to the left of you. The movements would be quite awkward and would slow down any attack.
     
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    None of what happened was warranted. The whole situation, from top to bottom, was incredibly stupid and uncalled for. I'm not defending anyone except the jurors.

    I mentioned the littering because there is someone living near me who throws trash out along our street. I usually grab a garbage bag every now and then to clean it up. It pisses me off to no end, and I'd like to throw the garbage in his yard. That would be a lose-lose situation if I try to play tough. Handicapped parking spots are no different.
     
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    That's not what I asked you.
     
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    It's private property.
     
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    That's a public business that has to comply with state laws requiring maintaining handicap accessibility in order to remain in business, which is enforced by the state by issuing placards to eligible individuals.
     
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    What you asked doesn't matter, which is the answer to your question.

    The bullet entered under his left nipple. If it came out in his toe or out the top of his head doesn't matter.

    As I said, bullets don't always go in straight lines. If you don't believe me, you're welcome to research that on your own time.
     
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    Lol. Okay.
     
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    You don't have to cause serious injury. You just have to be at risk of serious injury.

    If someone comes at you with a knife, do you have to let them stab you before you can defend yourself? That's a ridiculous premise.

    You might say I have some knowledge on the topic. I'm not making assumptions.

    I'm also not going to attack armed cops or commit felony domestic battery, but this guy did both.
     
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    And you don't have to put yourself at risk of serious injury by sticking your nose in other people's business.

    As for the knife thing, I'm not sure which of my comments you're referring to.

    If you have some knowledge of how to react to a gun pointed at you, please share it.
     
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    Here's but one example:
    This guy was not protecting his family. Period. Concern for the safety of his family would be more along the lines of: See crazy dude acting crazy=Need to remove my family from the situation as quickly as possible so my kids don't see any more of this guys meltdown.
    Proceed to get in the car and drive his family away with as little trauma to them as possible.

    Instead he appears to feel the best way to "protect" his family= I will beat the chit out of dude and show my kids how we deal with someone who "disrespects" us. (Even though he clearly "disrespects others" on the regular.)

    One has to wonder how he treats (errmmm... treated...) his kids when they act "disrespectfully". We know how he treated women.

    Truthfully, though, I doubt he even gave his kids a second thought, he was just reacting to violently to an ego hit. He left his five year old child in the store and was willing endanger them all by escalating the situation from verbal to violent when he should have been concerned with getting them safely away from a lunatic as quickly and calmly as he could.

    Shooter started the whole thing. Dead guy made the worst possible choices in response to the incident. He likely thought he was going to beat up a mentally disturbed guy, feel like a man and be done with it. He didn't seem to have the capacity to learn from his mistakes. ( prior assault charges).
     
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    That's not true. Dead guy was waiting for shooter to get back up. Why was he waiting? Do you think he was going to give him a hand? See if he was ok maybe? Please...
     
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    That is exactly what I saw too. And I've seen it a few times in real life, (minus the gun.). He didn't shove the guy and walk to his car. He was waiting for the guy to get back up. Maybe I'm just "assuming". I could be wrong about why he was waiting there, as if ready to kick the guys @ss... Perhaps he was going to offer the dude a mint or something. /s
     
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