Sheriff Joe Arpaio research team finds Obama birth record definitely forged.

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  1. SFJEFF

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    In other words, conspiracy theory nonsense is moved to the appropriate folder and you don't like it.

    You no longer care so much that you keep posting about it.....
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Just so we don't forget the Obama campaign furnished the original 2007 COLB to the independent FactCheck.org which confirmed it was an official birth certificate issued by the State of Hawaii. Sheriff Joe has never seen any original document but instead is relying on pulling an image from the internet which cannot be used in establishing whether a document is real or a forgery. Considering that the State of Hawaii has uncategorically established the Barack Obama was born in Honolulu Hawaii in 1961 we can conclude that Sheriff Arpaio is completely full of (*)(*)(*)(*).
     
  3. rahl

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    there is a reason these threads keep ending up in the conspiracy section, and it's not because of censorship.

    birthers and their theories are retarded, and have no place in reality, or rational discussion.
     
  4. Pollycy

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    When a faction of political "true believers" relegates every single allegation cast against the veracity and factual truth of a person who has accumulated as MANY of these as Obama has, can all of them be rooted, as you and "the Boyz in da Guard" allege, in stupidity, retardation, idiocy, racism, cretinism, imbecility, etc., etc., etc.? As I have suggested, rahl, my oldest antagonist in this Forum, a day is coming! And I dearly hope that you live to see it.... On to November!
     
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    Will you post that please?

    Oh Jeez.. that's one continuous year to become a NATURALIZED US CITIZEN.

    Too dumb for me... See ya.
     
  6. rahl

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    lol, birthers
     
  7. Pollycy

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    You laugh a lot, rahl... do you laugh at Mickey Mouse? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRcQcgiVf9I He's your president...!

    Maybe, now that the "Guard" has gotten this thread safely pushed out to the badlands of the Forum desert, we can a have a little fun. Maybe not. It doesn't matter because, as I've said, I'll never make a dent in your thinking, and I remain unconvinced about the truth of so much in Obama's "past" (although, oddly, not necessarily his birthplace). The physical location of where his mother bore him has never been as interesting to me, frankly, as has the effort by true-believers, such as you in Obama's Praetorian Guard, to explain away the long list of discrepancies, irregularities, omissions, and peculiarities that pepper nearly all of Obama's past -- especially when you always have to employ the savage overkill of cursing those that question Obama as though we were rabid dogs. The often misquoted phrase, "methinks thou dost protest too much" comes to mind.

    Meanwhile, what about Sheriff Arpaio's research committee? Even though this thread is now in Timbuktu, the topic is what the topic is:

    http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/07/18/arpaio-claims-obama-birth-certificate-is-fake/ Ooooh... but that's the racist, Obama-hating Fox News network!

    So, let's try an Obama-lover, like CBS, instead: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57474406/arpaio-obama-birth-record-definitely-forged/

    This line stood out: "The Obama campaign declined to comment on Arpaio's allegations." I wonder why they didn't simply do like you guys in the Guard do and start frothing at the mouth, cursing Arpaio and all the "birthers" as "idiots", "morons", "racists", and all the rest of your litany of hate?

    This is the "information age", rahl, and whether either of us likes it or not, the truth will come out eventually. But whereas I welcome the presentation of logical, comprehensive factual information that makes sense, your side violently and hatefully rejects even the investigation of "facts" to determine whether they are facts or not. I'll leave you with this thought for now... if someone had suggested a year ago that the revered Notre Dame football coach, Joe Paterno, would be thrown down in disgrace and regarded as an enabler for sex perverts and child molesters, that person would have been cursed exactly as you curse "birthers" today....
     
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    Joe Paterno was at Penn State and not Notre Dame which seems be analogous with "Birthers" statements about Obama. They simply don't line up with the truth.
     
  9. Pollycy

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    Sorry, Shiva, you are, of course, quite right. I regret the error, and offer no excuse for it at all. For this mistake, the Praetorian Guard will attribute every kind of mental deficiency imaginable to me in addition to the other ugliness. So be it; we all must live with our mistakes and admit them when they are justly pointed out.
     
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    lol, birthers. poor, sad, misguided birthers.
     
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    the problem is, you can't or won't admit when you make such errors regarding obama. like your blatant peddling of the lie that his lawyer ever said his BC was a forgery. even if you didn't know that was a lie the first time you posted it, after having it pointed out, you continued to knowingly parrot the same lie.

    that is why birthers are ridiculed, and rightfully so. you keep pushing the same known lies over and over again.
     
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    I do laugh at Mickey Mouse. He is a funny cartoon character.
     
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    When someone asks a serious question- once or twice- I give serious answers. But most of the time Birthers aren't asking serious answers- most of the time they are recycling Birther materials, usually lies- like the one about Obama's attorney.

    Why should I take that stuff seriously?
     
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    The truth has come out. The facts have been investigated by Birthers for 4 years, and Birthers have rejected any outcome that doesn't match the conclusion that they reached before the investigation.

    In regards to comparing the Sandusky case to Obama....well that is pretty easy. Sandusky started with a criminal complaint- which has never been filed by any Birther against Obama. The following investigation and trial established the facts of the crime and led to a conviction.

    Birthers however are like those who continue to refuse to believe that Sandusky could have committed this crime. Birthers reject court decisions they don't agree with, and refuse to believe official conclusions. Birthers would still be demanding that the State provide some evidence that Sandusky is guilty, even though the trial is over and the evidence has already been presented. Birthers would be focusing on Sandusky's social security number and trying to find some anomaly and then claiming that means everything else about the trial is suspect.

    Comparing Birthers to the Sandusky tragedy- bad analogy on your part but just imagine if there were Sanduskyites who were trying to convince America that regardless of the trial, he is still innocent and all they need to see is every bit of personal information about the judge and jury in order to prove it.
     
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    There actually have been a number of criminal complaints filed against Obama, but he's never been convicted on any of them, obviously. If you google "criminal complaint against Obama" you'll find a number of them, and some of them by Birthers.

    But I do see merit in your point of view on the Sandusky scandal, and how the processes, assumptions, and conclusions there would be different according to the biases of those in pursuit of "justice". And, no, I'm not being sarcastic. Some of your more compelling points are in this post. It gives me a reminder that, whether I accept all of it, or any of it, the Obama citizenship has been declared to be factually correct by the U. S. court system. I am further reminded, and no further back than June 28th, that whether any of us likes it or not, the same U. S. court system has declared that Obamacare IS constitutional.

    I claim to be a real "law and order" kind of guy, so I must accept these findings, period. There is no other court system, and there is no higher judicial platform. I wanted the Arpaio committee to get a fair hearing, a fair examination, and I wanted to hear a reasonable, logical explanation telling us all why it was necessary for Obama to release a software-constructed rendition of his long-form birth certificate rather than a simple copy such as you and I could make on any copy machine in the world. I don't have an answer to that, and I won't have an answer to that, either. That is something I also must accept now, and then work as effectively as I can to help elect Mitt Romney to the presidency in November. Pragmatics dictates this course also... there is nothing else to do. BTW, thanks to you and the Guard for not rubbing my nose in (*)(*)(*)(*) for my stupidity in brain-farting "Notre Dame" when I meant to say "Penn State". I will try to be more charitable in future when remembering Obama's gaffe about "57 states". Hey, it happens. Peace.
     
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    Oh god- my eyes hurt after that. I see quite a few posts of people saying that they had filed criminal complaints or that they were but I haven't seen any official confirmation that they did file them. But some like Fitzpatrick I believe probably did file a criminal complaint- he has shown himself more than willing to file them in the past.

    Gaffes happen to all of us.

    Look- if Arpaio were to ever actually do something other than have press conferences maybe I would give him some credence. At this last conference he couldn't even identify what agency he might file his accusations with.

    Seriously- why have a press conference to announce you don't know what you will do? What Joe should have done was say that he had sent his 'evidence' to the following and caled upon them to take action:
    a) Hawaii State Police
    b) FBI
    c) The Speaker of the House

    Look- I can even manage to come up with a list that Joe couldn't- or wouldn't. Now why hasn't Joe sent his 'evidence' to these entities? I think because each would either ignore or repudiate it.

    Contrast this with Rod Blagojevich- investigation by the FBI, arrests, grand juries- that is how real investigations happen.
     
  18. Mr_Truth

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    Hey sheriff Joe ~ still waiting for your ''proof ''.
     
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    here's another new site, still in development. http://www.antibirthers.com/
    it looks like it's still the birthers against the bots. this issue just won't die boys,
    i hope sheriff joe keeps plugging, what a great story this is. i wonder if the dust will settle if mr. obama gets re elected.
    i hope he opens the vault-in-hawaii for this year's october suprise.
    i'm glad i got back before it was all over. to whit.
     
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    As long as Obama is in office, Birthers will be doing their penguin march to the sea.
     
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    hello.... newman

    even beyond that i'm sure.

    hopefully they will still have history books and books in the American future.
     
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    Once Obama is out office, the Birthers will move onto new and shinier conspiracy theories. WND will not see a profit motive in flogging Birtherism, and even Birthers will not be able to file lawsuits against a non-President, non-candidate Obama.

    Birthers will be a small blip in history, like the crackpots who claimed that Hilary killed Vince Foster, they won't have the long lasting Conspiracy theory status of the JFK killing conspiracy theory fans.
     
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    everything will be a small blip in history jeff, eventually.

    birther is now part of the culture like it or not, and part of obama's legacy.
     
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    Yes, birther is a part of culture. It's a term that has come to mean idiot, kook, or crazy, someone that denies all evidence presented that doesn't support their preordained conclusion, and can be dismissed with a roll of the eyes.

    Holocaust deniers are a part of our culture, too. Doesn't make them right.
     
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    so you are comparing the American people who are troubled by, and interested in obama's provenance, to denying hitler killing six millions jews. i see.

    all without historical perspective. seems oddly extreme to me.
     

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