SHOCKING Homelessness

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  1. yasureoktoo

    yasureoktoo Banned

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    They come to Seattle because of the mild weather, and all the FREE stuff.
     
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    Right. So they cannot complain, then.

    My point (in all my posts on homelessness) is that these are choices made. We are not required to 'care', we are merely required to respect peoples' right to self-determination. Aka, their freedom to choose that life.
     
  3. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's a long cold Winter but usually stays just above freezing, or only goes just a little below freezing.

    The Winters are very rainy, constant drizzling.
     
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    We had a cold one about 4 years ago, last other one I remember was 15 years before that.
    There was also a few that seemed like winter missed us completely.
    It does rain, but not that much, ( Of course I lived in Juneau for a while.)

    Generally we have 1 bad week in the winter, and one in the summer.
    Other than that it is pretty mild all year.
     
  5. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOLOLOLOLOLOLO

    Much, if not all of that is true, however there are also some really nice places.
    I live in Bellevue, People think it's a nuthouse, but that's the east coast.
    Seattle east side is nice.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The homeless camp has grown even bigger.

    Some of the people there tell me that the city is imminently going to kick all the people out of one of the parking lots and make them all go to the other. But it doesn't seem like there's going to be enough room for both camps to fit in this one parking lot. I'm also told the city plans to fence off the perimeter of the parking lot with the camp in it, with only one gated entrance, and some guards to watch over it, and they will be installing cameras too.

    The below pictures are from the parking lot that all the homeless are going to be moved to.

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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Now here's the other parking lot:
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Out of respect, I tried not to take pictures of the people, but it looked like there were a lot of 20-26 year olds in there.

    I also talked to one of the young women in there and she said she would guess about 70% had serious drug use issues, 20% were light drug users (mostly weed) but not addicts (and that wasn't really the cause of their homeless situation), and 10% did not use drugs at all. But she said of that 70%, there were many with mental issues that could still be homeless even if it was not for the drug use, though she couldn't say what percentage of the drug addicts had mental issues.

    She also introduced me to one of her friends, who told me she had been homeless for 7 years but now was no longer homeless (presumably she was just there visiting some of her friends). Both of these girls looked about 25-28 years old. (white girls)

    She said jobs were available, but many employers would not hire a homeless person, and it was hard to get a job without a mailing address.

    This was all just her perspective (coming from someone who was actually living there), and may just be one perspective on the issue, not sure how accurate it is.

    She herself had gotten pregnant and had a son (presumably a big part of the reason she ended up homeless)? The father of her son was in jail, for what she described as some false accusation. She said a lot of the homeless people there were in jail, the police cite them and then they don't have a way to get to court or pay the fine so several of them have arrest warrants.

    It sounded like the police patrolling the area were pretty strict about issuing citations (such as for jaywalking) and she said they were trying to push the homeless out of the area. I suppose when you're walking the streets for most of the day, there's a greatly increased chance of being issued a citation for doing something.
     
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    If the young woman giving you those stats is herself homeless (and therefore troubled), you can be pretty sure she's downplaying the level of addiction. Cold stats put it much closer to 90%.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've been told they are trying to kick them out of the forest and wooded areas.
     
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    a nation of professing Christians like ours wouldn't have any need for welfare if people only obeyed their Bible
     
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    Are these remote forested areas? Or are they on urban fringes? If the latter, fair enough.
     
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    Probably not too different from Venezuela where there is almost no homelessness. The government built houses and it sells them to those with no home for the price of construction, which is about 1/10 the cost offered by capitalist builders.
     
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    Wow! Here in Merica, my contractor only makes 10% profits of the cost of building.
     
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    Wow. The homeless where I live are respectful. Respectful to the extreme. (Mostly). I'm thinking the problem is people choosing to disrespect those who do have jobs, businesses and responsibilities.
     
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    Sure, but what about the materials that go into it? They are produced for profit too. Imagine if we could eliminate all the profit in the entire production chain (because it was no longer needed). We might be able to reduce the cost of home construction by 20-40%. So why is it a 90% reduction in Venezuela? Well, we don't know how much the corporations are raping the public for. Maybe their mark up is much greater than ours.
     
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    They look like human beings to me but I may be biased.
     
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    Manipulating markets/industries is a very bad idea. FAR better to manipulate the end product. What I mean by that is that the illegality of Tiny Houses is an outrage in the 21stC.
     
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    It's because no neighborhood wants poor people living in squalid conditions anywhere in their community.

    Ironically it doesn't always make the problem just go away, then squatters in tents might pop up.
    These pictures are from a liberal area where the authorities don't have a problem dictating housing size and expensive codes poor people can't afford, but at the same time they don't have the heart to kick this tent village out.
     

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