Shooting of Rayshard Brooks in Atlanta

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Post #60 addresses post #122 in toto.
     
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    No I have a pro-justice stance. Shooting somebody in the back when you have a multi-milions worth of police force and technology is bloody stupid and shouldn't happen. Deadly force should be a last measure act, not a casual "I don't want to run after the guy" act.
     
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    Post #60 doesn't do **** and you know it. You're just playing your silly game again.
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I edited my last post but was too late. Saying you are "pro-criminal" was not cool...sorry about that
     
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    Badaboom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No problem. I've been called way worst here.
    In any case there are a multitude of grey between being pro criminals and pro-law enforcement. You should maybe try to see the world other than as a binary construct?
     
  6. TOG 6

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    Ah. You hate the truth. That's why I put you on ignore.
    Thanks for the reminder.
     
  7. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I just know I had a cop pull a gun on me before i my own house just because I put my hand in my pocket. This guy did a lot more than that. Cops have shot people over way less than what this individual did. I mean, I'm willing to go with "maybe they should have tazed him", but his tazer was taken by the man. Or "maybe they should have aimed for his legs"? but to do nothing at all? i'm not accepting of that
     
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    If I recall correctly, the officers did taze him or at least tried to.
     
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    Badaboom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who said anything about doing nothing?
    I said they could have called for backup and pursuit the guy. Or do you believe the guy would have tried to fight of 4, 6, 8 or 10 cops after a 10 minutes foot chase. They knew who he was, they knew where he lived and they had his car. He wouldn't have gone far.
     
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    I had 2 police officers pull their guns on me, much to their eventual chagrin

    Three friends and I were out on the woods shooting against a rail embankment with ARs, AKs and M1As; the old lady that lived a half-mile away called the sheriff and reported machinegun fire. It was dark by the time we made it down the tracks and back to the road, and the police stopped us at the crossing - car pulled up, lights came on, etc. We placed our rifles on the ground, approached them, gave names, etc. One of the officers retrieved the rifles - in two trips - and remarked that if we had been up to no good, they'd be dead.

    All's well that ends well.
     
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    This case is not like most of the others in this case the police clearly talked to the victim at length before the situation turned bad when they attempted to cuff him. The victim suddenly became resistant and the struggle followed. Somehow he got one of the officers taser and ran with it with one officer in close pursuit. The victim turned appearing to aim the taser at the closest cop that is when the cop furthest away fired twice striking him in the back. This is a case where there well may have been justification.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's exactly what happened. They had had a relatively dialogue up until that point. What if it was gently explained to him or implied, my partner is going to cuff you but if you resist, you're going to the ground, then we will cuff you.
    It turns out, this individual resisted because he was on China Virus parole and knew he was going back to prison regardless of the DUI. Cops need to be prepared for any situation.
     
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    I can't believe there are those that view it that way.
     
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    How does one fight as effectively as he did? He whipped two cops at once and they are supposed to be trained in this stuff! He did not act stupid because he was drunk. He acted as he did because he was on parole for beating his children. He would return to jail for a long time. Be careful in what you believe because the leftist media has the bleeding hearts boo hooing because this felon missed his daughters birthday party. Maybe he would have smacked her around some.
     
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    When you fire at an officer (and he might have hit him) with a taser, that can legally result in death.......DUH?
     
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    Aim for the central body.....no Roy Rogers tricks like shooting the taser out of his hand!
     
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    He did not serve his full seven year sentence. He did not even come close to serving the duration of his sentence.

    The very fact you are coming to the defense of a serial domestic abuser, is quite telling.
     
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    The individual in question chose to resist arrest and commit assault on two law enforcement individuals simultaneously. One is not given a free pass when committing unprovoked felony assault.
     
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    No individual has the legal right to resist arrest, or assault a law enforcement officer. Those who commit such acts will be met with deadly force in return if the law enforcement officer believes it is justified. This has been a basic aspect of the law in the united states for decades now. There is no legal standard under which any individual can claim they did not know such, and use it as an excuse against whatever charges they might face if they make it to a court of law.
     
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    From the united state supreme court itself.

    https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/471/1/

    The use of deadly force to prevent the escape of all felony suspects, whatever the circumstances, is constitutionally unreasonable. It is not better that all felony suspects die than that they escape. Where the suspect poses no immediate threat to the officer and no threat to others, the harm resulting from failing to apprehend him does not justify the use of deadly force to do so. It is no doubt unfortunate when a suspect who is in sight escapes, but the fact that the police arrive a little late or are a little slower afoot does not always justify killing the suspect. A police officer may not seize an unarmed, nondangerous suspect by shooting him dead. The Tennessee statute is unconstitutional insofar as it authorizes the use of deadly force against such fleeing suspects.


    It is not, however, unconstitutional on its face. Where the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others, it is not constitutionally unreasonable to prevent escape by using deadly force. Thus, if the suspect threatens the officer with a weapon or there is probable cause to believe that he has committed a crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm, deadly force may be used if necessary to prevent escape, and if, where feasible, some warning has been given. As applied in such circumstances, the Tennessee statute would pass constitutional muster.


    Do specifically note the highlighted section. The individual in question already committed a felony-level offense through infliction of physical harm on two law enforcement officers. That is all the legal justification that was necessary to make the use of deadly force justified.
     
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    Well the situation was a little wild but I'm not sure that is what we are talking about. If he had gotten the cop's gun instead of his taser I believe we would have two dead cops.
     
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    It wasn't a trial, it was an arrest that went horribly wrong the moment he decided to resist.
     
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    You can't believe that some of us don't want other to be shot like dogs for some stupid reasons... strange.
     
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    He wasn't firing when he got shot in the back.
     
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    Time for a change then.
     

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