Should A President Remain In Office

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Should A President Remain In Office if they are responsible for over 200,000 Covid deaths?

  1. Trump was responsible, Biden is not

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  2. Biden is responsible, Trump was not

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  3. The virus is what it is. Neither president is responsible. It is a worldwide pandemic.

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  4. Both presidents are and were responsible and neither should remain as president

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  5. Other

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  1. independentthinker

    independentthinker Well-Known Member

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    LOL. Hospitals and other medical facilities were giving Hydrox. It was of interest enough to not only do that but medical professionals studied it, with some of those studies showing promise. One of the left's arguments at the time was that using Hydrox for Covid caused a shortage of supplies for other conditions that the drug was used for. What about the "possible severe side effects" for those conditions? There are possible severe side effects for vaccines, other Covid treatments, and even the new Covid pills that are coming to market.
     
  2. James California

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    :buggered: ~ Fake news ... :bleh:
     
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    I wouldn't get the shot because Trump recommended it. I got the shot because my doctor said it was a good idea. What she said is no different. Trump has a history of bad science. I can totally get on board with her being skeptical of his qualifications.

    This is the guy who advocated malaria medicine (good against certain parasites) against a virus. That particular medicine has significant drawbacks.
     
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    Look it up. Google 'did Trump advocate hydroxychloroquine as a covid-19 preventive'. Prepare to be contradicted.
     
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    Not a peer reviewed study. The studies you refer to were cherry picking their data. Trump was not following the advice of the FDA or most of the scientific community.

    The other conditions were malaria. I don't think there are too many cases in the US. I don't remember this argument being made, but if it was whoever made it was clearly mistaken.

    Malaria is potentially fatal. I think we can agree other side effects for hydroxychloroquine can be ignored in light of that. Same for covid and the vaccines.
     
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    ~ I did look it up . There are Docs right here in Los Angeles who use this safe and effective medication on patients - as are many others. You may want to look at India for example.
    ✔ Freedom of choice .
     
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    ~ Trump was correct - as usual. The FDA, WHO , AMA, ADA and National Institutes of Health "scientific community " are just as politicized as any other industry - except with more liability. USA Medicine/pharmacy is just as much an industry today as it is a profession.
    You take the good with the bad .

    ~ So is Covid 19 .
     
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    I went with other....
    I believe that President Donald J. Trump attempted to save the lives of tens of thousand and hundreds of thousands of Americans by telling us about Hydroxychloroquine........
    at a time when BigMedia was obviously corrupt and totally intellectually dishonest about this option......
     
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    They use it against malaria. There are zero reputable studies that say it is effective against covid. There are many that testify to it being ineffective.

    As to freedom of choice: some things work and others do not. You are free to choose your treatment If hydro suits you, go for it. I'll stick with vaccines, which have a paper trail proving efficacy.
     
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    She repeatedly said that if Trump told her it was alright to get the shot then she would not do it and then the left blasted Trump for not encouraging Americans to get vaccinated.
     
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    There were several studies which showed promise with Hydroxy and several hospitals, etc around the world were using it as a treatment. If medical professionals were actually using it as a treatment, even before Trump said anything, how can you attack Trump for promoting it?
     
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    Several hospitals around the world were using Hydroxy as a treatment, even before Trump said anything about it, so it is just pure TDS to attack Trump for talking about it. There was a day in 2020 when a mother in Florida talked her daughter into taking Hydroxy and the daughter died. On that very same day a study came out which showed Hydroxy had benefits regarding Covid treatment. That day the media ran with the Florida story and never mentioned one word about the study that showed Hydrox had promise.
     
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    ~ Not " were " - are using hydroxychloroquine successfully.

    ~ We do not have a vaccine for covid and likely never will - we have a therapeutic with an extremely long half-life. Just like a flu shot.
     
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    You need more than one source and more than one statement to prove she 'repeatedly' said she wouldn't take the shot with Trump saying she should as the deciding factor. So far you have shown zero sources where that is the case. I doubt your track record is going to get any better, but here is another chance. Show your sources or leave it alone.
     
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    No POTUS is "responsible" o;f any citizens "stupidity". That makes no sense....... but just another inflammatory comment re: "lefties" "stupidity" is usually a result of narrow thinking,......and selective disinformation that fits a preconceived notion.

    The only way any leader would be responsible for the deaths o f citizens from a virus.......is if he willfully, released into he public.with malicious intent.
     
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    ~ Many now believe that is exactly what the Chinese government did with Covid 19 and possibly SARS .
     
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    "believing" it is one thing........but can they verify / prove it?? Then there is the question of MOTIVE... and what is the benefit ??

    Lest we forget......people sometimes believe what they want to believe
     
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    An mRNA vaccine is indeed a vaccine. Check the definition.
     
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    ~ Circumstantial evidence has convicted many. Those who deny this and the many coincidence leading up to the viris "escape " are afraid of facing facts. The west has become sissies .
     
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    ~ Which one - the old original or the new improved politicized version ?
     
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    Because he didn't check anything. There were no peer reviewed studies, e.g. His endorsement amounted to "This guy I know says . . .". I don't care what Trump does in his private life, and it's none of my business what Trumpers do in theirs. My point was that Trump is no scientist and his recommendation of a vaccine should carry no more weight than any other layman's.
     
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    Look up the word 'vaccine'. Google mRNA vaccine. They are indeed vaccines. I'm not quite sure what you're getting at.
     
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    It is reasonable to consider that possibility........as a possible. but unless there are hard facts to prove it........ it is a suspicion ..

    This would be a serious accusation........and if not backed up with evidence..........will not help the situation at all.

    (and we have seen what made up "evidence " can do and result in. ( think WMD in Iraq......!!! Some "believed" that too Hasn't this country embarrassed itself enough??
     
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    ~ Serious accusations indeed. This is likely the resistance to reveal the truth and the obvious censorship of mainstream news & social media regarding the subject. This would be grounds for total sanctions and possibly war. However there could be even more frightening consequences if the western citizens realize China was responsible for an act of global terrorism.

    P.S. It is very likely that U.S. intelligence already has all the proof/information needed.
     
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    It's not his fault that 45 percent of the population is ****ing fat, either.
     

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