Should a woman who gets pregnant for any reason be forced to give birth against her will?

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Should a woman who gets pregnant for any reason be forced to give birth against her will?

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  2. No

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Oh bullshit too, Christians hate sex so much they encourage self castration, Look up Skoptsi and the Church Father Origern
     
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    There is nothing justifying forcing a woman to give birth against her will.
     
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  3. ToughTalk

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    Yes. It is. But then a fetus is only the size of a zygote for 4 days. The cells are dividing and multiplying so fast that it out grows this state quickly. Absolutely no abortions happen within this period as it's highly unlikely the mother even knows she's pregnant.

    So why even worry about human life when it's the size of a zygote?...
     
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  4. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Any organism that inherently depends on another to stay alive is a part of that organism. I don't see how anyone can argue differently.
     
  5. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Zygote and fetus are seen as the same for our purposes here.
     
  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Your fanatical religious beliefs are not the subject here and have no place in any discussion of American law. Not even all Christians agree with them btw.
     
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  7. ToughTalk

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    Even if that were the case. No abortions happen within the first four days of pregnancy.

    You need to do some research to figure out when in the pregnancy abortions mostly happen and make your case there.

    But I'll give you a hint. None happen in the first four days. So zygote isn't even applicable in a discussion about abortion
     
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    It is not up to me to prove anything - and negation fallacy is certainly not proof of claim.

    It is up to you to show that your claim " A zygote is a Human" is true. or any claim that you make .. same goes for everyone else.

    Did you not get the memo ?

    So - why do you think a zygote is a human ? What definition of a human are you using - and how does the zygote fit that definition.
     
  9. ToughTalk

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    It's human. It's alive. And if left to develop it grows into a full grown adult

    Cancers, toe nails, chest hairs, moles, sperm and any other piss poor comparison do not grow into fully grown adults.

    Easy peezy
     
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    There are no word games here. I'm talking about the real world, and in the real world, in every state of the union, pregnant women can be forced to give birth against her will. That's not a word game, that's a legal and real world fact.

    And that's the point I was making. Everyone seems to actually believe "should a woman who gets pregnant for any reason be forced to give birth against her will."

    Including you.

    The disagreements seem to be at what point in the journey do women lose their rights and becoming brood mares with no agency. At what point do you think women should lose their rights?
     
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    Actually - Jumping up and down on a stump crying "Its Human" is not support for claim nor is "Its alive" a many things both human and alive are not "A Human" "noun" human feces is not a human .. nor are the bacteria and human cells wihch form most of that feces.

    That a sperm might realize personhood some day in the future .. does not make that sperm "A Human" in the present - nor any other stage .. nad toenails have little to do with the issue .but cancer cells do .. as the have the potential to create "Mutant Adults" :)
     
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  12. ToughTalk

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    Sperm on it's own isn't going to grow into a full grown adult. It's life cycle is that of a few weeks...UNLESS it binds with an egg of course.

    But then you knew that.

    A fetus...even the size of a zygote is a human growing into an adult. A process that takes 25 years.
     
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    Zygote is currently a medical term, rooted in Greek, meaning to join or yoke together, and coined by a German(go figure). Anyway, it may serve ones cause to refer to a human conception as something dispensable. But it is nevertheless a physical human conception. And no alternate reality or psychopathical musing can change that scientific fact. The self serving, willful lust which begets unwanted human conceptions is the same lust that would dispense of it. Abortion is no service to women, but to the insatiable lust of the promiscuous, keeping chastity in arrears.
     
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    It's incredibly ignorant when it's suggested that until we develop more physical characteristics that more closely resemble how we look when we our out of the womb are we considered human. It's such incredibly shallow thinking.
     
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    :) So if an intruder breaks into your house, beats and rapes you you canNOT defend yourself because if you kill him you go to jail for murder....???????

    Really?

    If a family pulls the plug on a relative in a coma who gave instructions to do so it's murder and his family goes to prison for life?
     
  16. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Thank yoo Archbishop. Skoptsi classes are in the Origern Hall today. It only hurts for a few years
     
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    Do you believe a ZEF is A human as in "born person with rights" ? ( It isn't. it's human, NOT A human)

    Then with rights come restrictions...we canNOT use another person's body to sustain our lives....

    We canNOT harm another without their consent.


    So out that ZEF comes if the woman doesn't want to be harmed or use her body to sustain the life of another..

    What YOU want is for a ZEF to have more rights than born , thinking, people...
     
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    Are you against assisted suicide when a person is terminally ill and suffering? By a doctor? Or, a family member? Or, a friend?
    Are you against a suffering terminally ill person stockpiling their own medications to commit suicide?
    Are you against the military killing terrorists?
    Are you against drone strikes (that don't kill innocent people, but the intended target(s))?
    Are you against the police shooting people when it's the last resort?
    Are you against the death penalty?
    Are you against euthanasia for sick and/or unwanted animals?
    Are you against animal control placing poison to kill unwanted feral animals?
    Are you against killing insects and snakes that get in your house?
    Are you against using fly swatters and/or Raid and/or similar things?
    Are you against people with high blood pressure doing nothing to keep it under control? Diabetes? HIV? (slow self-inflicted suicide).



    What kind of stopping a heartbeat is sanctioned?
     
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    I thought I already made myself clear. But in case I didn't - no - we should not have abortion policy based upon rape. It should be based upon the basic rights of a woman having determinative control over her own body.

    By contrast, I don't believe that life begins at conception. I see it as the possibility of life. And if the fetus could not survive outside of the womb, it doesn't have the same rights as a woman. I don't believe in late term abortions if both mother and fetus are healthy. There needs to be limits on the time frame a legal abortion can take place (outside the argument of safety of the mother) - but 6 weeks isn't it by a long shot.
     
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    The you are anti-science, anti-biology so you can self-servingly hold your opinion and base it on this arbitrary unscientific statements. What is a more basic right than a right to life? And if a woman has this unwavering right "over her own body" then why not abortion up to the minute the baby is born, if you entire position is based on that?
     
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    Heck, there are plenty of people that want kids but should never have them.

    Pregnancy is simply part of the strand of the history of the human race. Without it no one would exist so any part from impregnation to birth is a part of life itself. It’s a continual process.
     
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    With rights come responsibility. I support a woman to have an abortion - but within time limits.
     
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    If you are going to allow why limit it? None of your criteria hold up under scrutiny especially scientific scrutiny. What happened to follow the science? No matter when during the life of that human being it is killed it IS a human being and our most fundamental right most precious right is our right to life
     
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    We could cut the number of abortions in half tomorrow if Republicans would vote to financially support ALL pregnant women.
    Are you willing to do that?

    If not, you are part of the problem.
     
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    I continue to support Roe v Wade as a basic guide and framework here.
     

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