Should a woman who gets pregnant for any reason be forced to give birth against her will?

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Should a woman who gets pregnant for any reason be forced to give birth against her will?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    All you are saying is that you are replacing your judgement for when a pregnant woman (excuse me-birthing person) should be allowed to abort for hers. All this talk about "I am holding them to a standard where they are responsible for their choices" sounds suspiciously like anti-abortion comments I've already seen posted here.

    Once again, you are making my point, We're not arguing about whether the state should regulate abortion, we're only arguing about what point in the process. EVERYONE here seems to agree that the state can and should regulate abortion.
     
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  2. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    There more things in heaven and earth Crankpotio, than are dreamt of in this forumlosophy
     
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  3. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    OK fine, at the point where a fetus CAN survive outside the womb, abortion should be regulatable. Which is nothing even CLOSE to just a detectable heartbeat and should NEVER be justification for endangering a mother's life, even by a tiny amount
     
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    It appears that we may be making logical and ethical headway here...! Can it be? I think I'm going to faint.... :wierdface:
     
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  5. Lil Mike

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    Seems a rather arbitrary standard.
     
  6. kazenatsu

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    To be fair, that's not really specifically "a woman who gets pregnant for any reason should be forced to give birth"; it's because she waited too long after being pregnant.

    i.e. It's more what she did (or did not do) after being pregnant rather than before.
     
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  7. Lil Mike

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    "Too long" seems to be what's at issue.
     
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  8. Pollycy

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    From what I've observed, from an admittedly male POV, once a woman has missed two 'periods' in a row, it's kinda likely that she IS pregnant.

    So, on average, she would know in usually no more than 56 days? And the nominal gestation period for a human is ~275 days? Is this really so hard for anyone to comprehend...?
     
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    Should those conceived of women, for ANY reason, be forced to die before they take their first breath?

    Which is more humane, a forced death, or a forced life?
     
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    There is nothing humane about force.
     
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    No, Right Wingers want to stay out of the process altogether. I don't think you understand what they're saying, at all.

    They want to avoid ALL interference - as in let nature take its course. That's not my preference, because I'm for access to abortion - but make no mistake, abortion is medical interference (and in a less direct sense, interference in the bedroom).
     
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    Allowing someone to do what they want isn’t interference.
     
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    It is when you remove the consequences of 'doing whatever you want'. Nature doesn't do that .. it's a human construct - interference.
     
  14. Bluesguy

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    Why? That arbitrary constantly change state does not grant humanity to that human being alive and well inside the womb, that is granted at creation. Tell me if a baby is born and set aside on a table and everyone walks away leaving it alone will it survive?
     
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    It is with that human being in the womb they are trying to interfere with to the extent of killing it.
     
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    Is that worse that a woman being forced to act as an incubator?
     
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    The taking of an innocent human life, you have to ask? Does it "interfere" that innocent human life?
     
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    It terminates it, I don’t have to play word games. It is a developing human, its existence should still not overrule the rights of the mother.

    Would you be ok mandating a medical procedure for others if it saved lives? If someone had a specific bone marrow that would cure some cancers — would you demand that individual donate their body?

    We don’t even demand the body of deceased persons unless they have given consent.
     
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    Yes as I said it is the taking of an innocent human life, it interferes so much with that innocent human life it ends, terminates, it. How is the taking of an innocent human life, a human being, the termination of that human being, better than a few months of pregnancy?
     
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    Please do not ask me additional questions if you do not have the common curtesy of answering mine.

    Would you be ok mandating a medical procedure for others if it saved lives?
    If someone had a specific bone marrow that would cure some cancers — would you demand that individual donate their body?

    As to the ‘how’ — I will always place conscious life over life that is not.

    I can show most others do as well with a simple question — Do you believe a severely beaten and raped woman should be forced to carry her rapists child?
     
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    The majority of those on the Left apparently are, as the whole coronavirus pandemic controversy has revealed.


    Anyway, the one's life being saved here is not the person choosing.


    We've already discussed this in the abortion section of this forum. Numerous times.
    It would be like if that person had caused a terrible automotive accident, and now their victims needed a life-sustaining blood transplant to remain alive.
    That person caused the situation.
    It's not like a random person being forced to donate.

    Not only that, but pregnancy is 100% natural and a bone marrow transplant isn't.
    Pregnancy (usually) doesn't require any surgical procedures. The woman is not giving up a permanent part of her body, just a few nutrients.
     
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    There is no way to force a woman to give birth. There is no way to know who is pregnant, who is considering an abortion, or enforcing abortion laws.
     
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    You didn’t answer the question.
    Try again

    Yoj again didn’t answer the question. Even if someone caused the accident do you support forcing them to donate the required parts of their body to keep that person alive?

    She is absolutely giving up control of her baby — someone people die or have major medical issues from pregnancy.

    That still doesn’t touch on the point, what you are advocating is that her body doesn’t really belong her her, it belongs to the state.

    At minimum do you support the man being responsible for medical bills and her lost work due to the pregnancy or is all the responsibility on her?
     
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    Not an honest question as pointed out in post #2.
     
  25. Turin

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    My personal favorite reason is.


    Its none of our business why a woman should choose to get an abortion. None what so ever.
     
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