Should a woman who gets pregnant for any reason be forced to give birth against her will?

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Should a woman who gets pregnant for any reason be forced to give birth against her will?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. submarinepainter

    submarinepainter Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is a bit strict


    not getting knocked up is .



    Really it sounds like you are over reacting

    agree
    then then same people need to pay there own way,

     
  2. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    And repeatedly you were shown to be wrong.






    A. One cannot be "forced" to "donate"...

    B. NO one EVER has been forced to sustain the life of an accident victim with their body parts whether they caused the accident or not.






    Totally and completely irrelevant.


    That's a silly and false idea of what pregnancy entails..

    Here is what science deniers call "just a few nutrients":


    First , the woman's immune system is compromised, then:

    Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:


    • exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
    • altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
    • nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
    • heartburn and indigestion
    • constipation
    • weight gain
    • dizziness and light-headedness
    • bloating, swelling, fluid retention
    • hemmorhoids
    • abdominal cramps
    • yeast infections
    • congested, bloody nose
    • acne and mild skin disorders
    • skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
    • mild to severe backache and strain
    • increased headaches
    • difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
    • increased urination and incontinence
    • bleeding gums
    • pica
    • breast pain and discharge
    • swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint paininfection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
      (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
    • extreme pain on delivery
    • hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
    • continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)
    Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:

    • stretch marks (worse in younger women)
    • loose skin
    • permanent weight gain or redistribution
    • abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
    • pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh)
    • changes to breasts
    • increased foot size
    • varicose veins
    • scarring from episiotomy or c-section
    • other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
    • increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
    • loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
    • higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's
    • newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates)
    Occasional complications and side effects:

    • complications of episiotomy
    • spousal/partner abuse
    • hyperemesis gravidarum
    • temporary and permanent injury to back
    • severe scarring requiring later surgery
      (especially after additional pregnancies)
    • dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
    • pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
    • eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
    • gestational diabetes
    • placenta previa
    • anemia (which can be life-threatening)
    • thrombocytopenic purpura
    • severe cramping
    • embolism (blood clots)
    • medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
    • diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
    • mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
    • serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
    • hormonal imbalance
    • ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
    • broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
    • hemorrhage and
    • numerous other complications of delivery
    • refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
    • aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
    • severe post-partum depression and psychosis
    • research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
    • research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
    • research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease
    Less common (but serious) complications:

    • peripartum cardiomyopathy
    • cardiopulmonary arrest
    • magnesium toxicity
    • severe hypoxemia/acidosis
    • massive embolism
    • increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
    • molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease
      (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
    • malignant arrhythmia
    • circulatory collapse
    • placental abruption
    • obstetric fistula
    More permanent side effects:


    • future infertility
    • permanent disability
    • death.
     
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  3. FoxHastings

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    It's true !
     
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    What on Earth are you talking about?
     
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    Sorry some of my post is gone I have poor skills typing! It was like this
    Stay out of other people's sex lives.
    Stay out of other people's marriages.
    Stay out of other people's finances.
    Stay out of other people belief systems.
    Stay out of other people's countries.

    if you want the government to pay for any of this they will be in your life
     
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    I'm not understanding the basis of your comment. Why do you think I (or anybody) is asking the government to pay for any of this?
     
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    A better question would be, "Should we be allowed to take the life of sentient humans just because they're an inconvenience?

    If your spouse or significant others finds you to be an inconvenience and raining on their parade, they should be allowed to end your life, right?
     
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    OHLORD...talk about starting from Step 1.

    BORN people have rights.

    The unborn do not.
     
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    it was a statement, I Never said you said anything
     
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    It's appalling that there are five people who think it's OK to punish a woman for being raped with a more severe and longer sentence than any rapist ever got...
     
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    If that's the case, you used the wrong pronoun.


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    Moi :oldman:


    :flagus: Peoples are denied ​
     
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    Its a perfectly honest question. Especially once Roe vrs Wade gets overturned here in a few months.
     
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    What if, like me, you do not believe life begins at conception?


    Simple question.

    An office fire starts in a fertilization clinic. In one area, there is a child trapped, and in the other corner, is a fridge with 30 fertilized eggs.

    You can only save one. Which will it be?


    Hint: Only an insane person would save the fertilized eggs and place them on even footing with a born person.
     
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    However when the majority abortion occurs the foetus is not a sentient being
     
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    I don't have an issue with first trimester abortions. I've made that abundantly clear.

    I also mentioned the Politics of Power prohibits any reasonable compromise.

    Yeah, that's right, the Abortion Game is highly profitable for both sides.
     
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    Um, you mean like me.

    You adopted my position that life does not begin at conception.

    That is a no-brainer. Very obviously, it would be the sentient being, meaning the child. Fertilized eggs are not sentient beings.
     
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    No!
     
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    At one time, Blacks had no rights. Now they do.

    If a sentient unborn being has no rights, it's only because you refuse to recognize them.
     
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    Here in Maine there was a protest about abortion , I am not for abortions' but also I am against outlawing them , what burns my ass when I see those signs no Uterus stay out of mine ! Yet men do have to pay for lower income healthcare in taxes . If you want others out of you lady parts, then pay for it yourself.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    OHLORD...talk about starting from Step 1.

    BORN people have rights.

    The unborn do not.


    .

    Everyone, blacks, black slaves, whites, white slaves...ALL were born with rights.

    Their right to bodily autonomy was taken away...(EXACTLY what Anti-Choicers want to do to women to make them slaves.)




    Their rights were RESTORED..... they weren't "bestowed" on them...

    Ya, along with most of the world...



    What rights do you want a ZEF to have that don't interfere with the rights of the woman it's in?


    :) Don't worry if you have to dance around and avoid that question, no Anti-Choicer has EVER answered it :)
     
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    And the majority of later term abortions are for foetal abnormality incompatible with life
     
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    And a majority of those on the right who are against abortion are also against child support
     
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