Now that the Supreme Court will let states make abortion a crime, should it be prosecuted as murder? Should the doctor, patient, and anyone involved in the abortion be charged with conspiracy to commit murder? Should we charge the taxi driver with kidnapping?
Abortion = murder or self defense depending on context Miscarriage = manslaughter The court will need decide for each case.
It is yet to be determined one way or the other. No decision yet as I know of despite the leak. One possibility is a per curium order, oral arguments heard, in which the Court orders all pending cases involving Abortion are tabled by the Court for this term. That may be the best possible outcome in this whole leaked opinion mess.
Depends on the state. In some states, if you kill a woman that is pregnant, you get charged with double homicide...
If the woman wants the abortion, and it is carried out in accordance with accepted medical standards of practice and procedure, then it must always be considered legal! I am not at all 'Leftist', knee-jerk liberal, or "woke", but a woman's body belongs to HER, and nobody else.... Her wishes regarding this matter triumph over the government at ANY level, in ANY state, "Red" or "Blue". Disclosure: Yeah, I voted for Trump -- twice! But only because the Democrat candidates he ran against were far worse, in my not-so-humble opinion....
YES, if abortion is banned because it's murder then YES, the woman and all who abet her are charged with murder....and the courts fill up and the Private Jails get more money and there are more kids on Welfare for the righties to whine about and there's more kids left with one parent or no parents and the taxpayers pay for them... EVERYTHING REPUBLICANS WANT ....
A generally reliable, recent poll (CBS/YouGov) states that 58% of Americans want a federal law making abortion legal. Link: https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...-want-federal-law-making-abortion-legal-poll/ . Are all of them Democrats...? Honestly, Foxhastings, isn't it painting with an overly-broad brush to proclaim that making abortion the same as murder is "EVERYTHING REPUBLICANS WANT"...? You would be surprised to discover just how many Conservatives and Libertarians -- who only vote 'Republican' because of disgust and loathing for radical, 'woke' Democrats -- are actually in favor of leaving Roe v Wade completely undisturbed, exactly as it is today!
FoxHastings said: ↑ YES, if abortion is banned because it's murder then YES, the woman and all who abet her are charged with murder....and the courts fill up and the Private Jails get more money and there are more kids on Welfare for the righties to whine about and there's more kids left with one parent or no parents and the taxpayers pay for them... EVERYTHING REPUBLICANS WANT .... OK, Why do SOME ( MOST) Republicans want abortion banned? WHY? THEY say it's "murder". Then I am correct "if abortion is banned because it's murder then YES, the woman and all who abet her are charged with murder....and the courts fill up and the Private Jails get more money and there are more kids on Welfare for the righties to whine about and there's more kids left with one parent or no parents and the taxpayers pay for them... EVERYTHING ( MOST ) REPUBLICANS WANT ....
The more reliable polling data show that those Republicans who want abortion to be equated with "murder" are those in a handful of states in the South. In those states, your descriptions of "(MOST) REPUBLICANS" is probably correct. You ask, "Why"...? Their sentiments are surely rooted in their religious beliefs -- but -- we must remember that we are a nation founded, ostensibly, on 'Blind Justice' which does not consider the precepts of any one, specific religion as being axiomatic. It's easy to think that those Southern Republicans are just a bunch of unwashed, backwoods Christians... but remember that Islam (among other religions) also forbids abortion in most cases.... Link: https://bmcmedethics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1472-6939-15-10
Are you trying to say that Anti-Choicers have another reason for wanting abortion banned if not because it's murder? What is that reason? Is it what is obvious? That they want to punish women for having sex? And YES I also know that the Taliban, like Anti-Choicers, ban abortion....peas in a pod.
You may have misunderstood me... "Anti-Choicers", as you describe them, almost surely do want to have abortion banned because, in their view, it is the deliberate killing (murder) of a human being. Expand your concept of who the various 'players' are in this controversy and I think you'll probably be more accurate in an overall way, Foxhastings. Embrace the idea that there are surely a LOT of us who are neither PRO-abortion, nor, ANTI-abortion -- but rather, that we are strongly PRO-FREEDOM and PRO-CITIZENS'-RIGHTS (Male or Female), to make our own choices as citizens of this country involving our own bodies! Thus, an American woman owns her own body and everything that is part of her anatomy, as far as many of us are concerned.
I suppose the minute that you decide for others, you've donned your own anti-choice mantel, haven't you. Deciding for others you find inferior, or otherwise seems to be what the bully's on the left live to be.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Are you trying to say that Anti-Choicers have another reason for wanting abortion banned if not because it's murder? What is that reason? Is it what is obvious? That they want to punish women for having sex? And YES I also know that the Taliban, like Anti-Choicers, ban abortion....peas in a pod. Pro-Choice. .... no one is "pro-abortion" Good, then fight for keeping those rights..
FoxHastings said: ↑ Are you trying to say that Anti-Choicers have another reason for wanting abortion banned if not because it's murder? What is that reason? Is it what is obvious? That they want to punish women for having sex? And YES I also know that the Taliban, like Anti-Choicers, ban abortion....peas in a pod. Uh, whose post were you responding to ? ...because you certainly couldn't/didn't address mine... The bullies on the right are the ones trying to deny choice.....where ARE you coming from?
Louisiana tried ti go a bridge too far. Thankfully there was enough push back to prevent prosecution of women for murder. Abortion is morally wrong, IMO, but it should still be a woman's choice. Government should not be involved in the issue. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/lo...-bill-declaring-abortion-homicide-2022-05-13/ Louisiana lawmakers withdraw bill declaring abortion homicide "May 12 (Reuters) - A bill in the Louisiana legislature aiming to charge women and their doctors with murder for obtaining or providing abortion services was withdrawn from consideration on Thursday amid outrage and a successful effort to amend it."
Agree! The United States has not even made a pretense of being a "moral" country in decades, so why suddenly be hypocrites about 'morality' now...?! Let each individual woman make her own decision about happens to her (HER) own body -- and -- if she has any kind of "moral" or religious scruples about any of her decisions, let those be personal matters that rest ENTIRELY with her, and her alone!
You paint with an overly-broad 'brush', Foxhastings! A LOT of of us on the Right are not just in favor of 'Abortion-on-Demand' -- we support a woman's right to 'Abortion-on-Whim' if that amuses her! If nothing else, consider how much less welfare money that would burden taxpayers with having to pay to an unwilling 'Mama' and her brat(s)....
FoxHastings said: ↑ If it's not murder or homicide then WHY do righties want it banned??? OK,"" If it's not murder or homicide then WHY do MOST righties want it banned???"" ...and how many ways can that question be dodged ????
Yes, it should "me". Do you hope to be taken seriously with obvious spelling errors in the very title?
There are all different levels and all different degrees of murder. I don't see things in terms of total black & white, like many other simple-minded people see things. I thought that what Derrick Chauvin did was "murder", but I also felt strongly that he received a drastic amount of over-punishment. Due to the exact circumstances, it is the type of thing he should have been punished with a year and a half in prison rather than twenty-two and a half.
