Should Americans have been more willing to sacrifice lives for the economy?

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Should Americans have been more willing to sacrifice lives for the economy?

  1. Yes. The measures taken to protect lives were to extreme, and did more harm than good.

    7 vote(s)
    31.8%
  2. No. Lives are more important than property.

    13 vote(s)
    59.1%
  3. We struck close to the right balance between lives and economy.

    1 vote(s)
    4.5%
  4. Other - Define below

    1 vote(s)
    4.5%
  1. LoneStarGal

    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The resources which would have flowed underground without too much human labor will now have to be shipped from Canada above ground in trucks and on trains, using more fossil fuels while emitting more air polutants than the pipeline route.

    Save the planet! Vote Democrat! The geniuses are finally back in charge. LOL
     
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    NO! after traitor trump no more BS about ANYTHING. we won. spending gripes from the party of wasters and stealers is not allowed.
    but thx for a real answer otherwise, it is appreciated. Hillary COULD have, but would have ...without full power? kinda hard.
    the Liberal ideal is spending big $ up front smartly so future i$$ue$ don't arise or can be dealt with quickly with little cost.
    we need vast new intelligent communities of mini homes now, modified shipping containers are a simple godsend in savings.
    with that go all the support systems and infrastructure to allow thriving with free rent / no time limit so they can upgrade soon.
    will it cost more now to turn around an impossible tide? hell yes, but what alternative is there other than worse of everything?
    the savings from the home and health (instant covid isolation) aspects to our civil infrastructure will cover the outlay in no time.
    taxing the crap outta big earners made America great, Reagan flipped that to favor the rich and 0 good ever got paid for again.
    that's why your dreams went to hell, us on the Left eat it right along with you, we want all of us to be the big winners.
    we do NOT want anything that isn't going to make the average righty happy as well, Biden is helping them too right now.
    I've spent decades refining my knowledge on this stuff, it ain't rocket science, but changing minds is virtually impossible.
    will he / they be perfect? nope. would we have helped Don con if he had actually been a great white hope instead of a dope? yes.
     
  3. Kranes56

    Kranes56 Banned

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    You know what’s also really important for the economy? Straws? They’re just so far out of reach though. Perhaps you can grasp for some?
     
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    We should never have been out of business. Period.
     
  5. maxLiberal

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    tell it to Donald dope, he screwed the world
     
  6. Pollycy

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    Well, given the ongoing (and further developing) impact of the COVID virus, plus dear ol' Joe killing the whole damned Keystone Pipeline, AND announcing a four billion dollar giveaway BRIBE to the dictatorships of Central America -- presumably to 'rent' their militaries for the task of keeping huge hordes of peasants from invading the U. S. all at once, why is it such a 'grasp'...?

    Let's both hope for two things in the short-term: that the vaccines really ARE effective against the COVID that we know something about today, plus the variants that are sprouting up all over the country (and the world) -- and -- that the Federal Reserve central bank keeps on buying non-existent 'bonds' while it prints even more IMAGINARY MONEY to keep the stock market from crashing flat on its face.

    It's a 'solution' that stinks to high heaven, but for a country that's as fugged-up as we are, it's about the best we can even hope for now.
     
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    1. Keystone wouldn't have done anything meaningful.
    2. We've literally been bankrolling CA dictatorships for the last 100 years. It's standard US foreign policy. Keep neighbors in your sphere of influence. Like Bananas? That's where you get them from. Or we could stop bankrolling them and introduce land reform? I'm sure Big Banana would love to hear about how you're not going to respect their property rights anymore.
    3. Yeah, we're going to be dealing with COVID for awhile. Unfortunately that's the case but you can't deny that something as simple as a mask requirement on planes and requiring people to quarantine is a good first step.

    I hope but I think it's not going to work out as well as he likes. More importantly than that he has to balance domestic extremism. And I don't think he can on that end.
     
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    Well, Maxy, admittedly we are light-years apart, and I don't even know how to approach a useful dialogue with you now. We just don't have anything that resembles common reference points.

    You may remember that this country was in the DUMPS all during the 1970's due to many factors, but the 1980's were wonderful for nearly all Americans, and for our economy, precisely because of 'Reaganomics', and Reagan's partnership with the last decent, honorable, intelligent Federal Reserve Chairman we had -- PAUL VOLCKER!

    Maybe we could eventually agree that a complete 'appetite-to-azzhole' makeover of the entire U. S. Tax Code is the best place to begin to make the whole economy fair, FINALLY, for all American citizens. But for the time being, I'll suggest that there is exactly one (ONE) nation on Earth where 'neo-Socialism' does actually work fairly well -- and that country is GERMANY! See you later!
     
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    well, at least you typed some words!
     
  10. Pollycy

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    I'm 'ready, willing, and able' to pay $5 a gallon for gasoline, but I'm not at all sure that many of those hyperliberal Democrats in the big Biden/Harris 'moshpit' will be when they have to start paying it.... :lol:

    [​IMG]. "Hey, Joe, how about some more welfare money so we can drive the damn car back home!"
     
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    Good! We'll call that enough progress for one day. An old Bell Telephone advertisement from WAY back in 1961 said, "Communication is the beginning of understanding." That was probably one of the most meaningful things ever written in the English language, even though Bell Telephone itself was broken up in the 1980's.
     
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    OK. Do you have his phone number?
     
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    wasn't that account terminated as well?
     
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    What account is that?
     
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    whatever it was it seems to have ended due to no accountability
     
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    We would have been better off probably if the shutdowns had been real shutdowns where everybody but the ER and the morgue were closed for business, so arguably I suppose that would have been a bigger "sacrifice" had we gone that route uniformly across all states for a few weeks. Now the reality is that the danger was so overly dramatized early on that a lot of businesses shuttered before they had a case or only had 1 or 2 cases and now are not in a position to do it again when they may have more than 0-2 cases in their worker pool. The media and politicians caused businesses to prematurely ejaculate all over the problem.
     
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    I won't ask again.
     
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    It's heartening to see that as of now, more than 72% of forum participants still have normal human values.

    We can build back our economy, that's a fact we've proven many times in the past. We can't bring back the dead,
     
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    Agreed. The $1.9 trillion aid/relief package that Biden has proposed needs to be passed and enacted now. The new, more contagious strains of this virus came about because too many countries ignored the science or applied it incorrectly, allowing the virus to mutate into stronger strains.

    This will keep happening here in the U.S. unless at least 80% of us are dilligent in masking up and keeping our distance. That's the ONLY way to stop the spread. Until then, we all need the help that this aid package will provide.

    Also, the vaccines are not going to save us unless at least 70% of us get vaccinated.

    I'm not hopeful at this time. There are far too many Americans who prefer the lies from the anti-science contingent on the right. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
     
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    Will the coming hyper-inflation or total economic collapse and reset provide us any "help"? At what point does a Fiat currency simply become of no value? We're at about 28 T in debt. By the end of Biden's 4 years, we'll probably be barely able to service the debt.
    Do you ever wonder why no one is talking about this? I think it's because they all know that what's on our horizon is going to be distinctly unpleasant and apt to lead to civil disorder or worse. Their term of art is "RESET". In simpler, clearer terms it's just economic collapse and a huge loss of what freedoms we have left.
     
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    You're here posting. How did you help the economy while risking your life?

    I have not missed a day of work since the pandemic due to pandemic.
    Some in my company have, but none have lost their job.
     
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    This virus wasn't around on Hillary's first day in office. It showed up in Trump's last year.
     
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    It isn't just putting gas in the car that happens with $5 gas, all that cost gets passed on to consumers. Who gets hurt the most? Poor people.
     
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    It's not "imaginary money" if the nation maintains its productive capacity (which is not even required to be fully utilized in a pandemic, when only essential products and services are needed, so as to limit contact between individuals) .

    Free yourself from the Friedman neoliberal, supply side nightmare. Money is nothing more than points to keep track of a score....'points' which are created 'ex nihilo'; ie the score keeper never faces the prospect of running out of 'points', as the game progresses.

    (link)

    MMT: overcoming the political divide. | PoliticalForum.com - Forum for US and Intl Politics

    The inflation bogeyman is just that: a bogeyman.

    The issue is to ensure demand on available output doesn't exceed the nation's productive capacity (in normal times).
     
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    I think you worry too much. This is America. We've recovered our economy before and we can do it again. What we can't do is bring back the dead.
     
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