Should Australian have a vote on Same Sex marriage?

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Should Australian have a vote on Same Sex marriage?

Poll closed Sep 6, 2016.
  1. Yes

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  1. ziggyfish

    ziggyfish Active Member

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    As usual, the left are trying to block Australians from having a vote, regardless of your viewpoint, should Australians be allowed to vote in a plebiscite, on whether to change the marriage act or not?
     
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    I forgot the other plebiscites Australian have had over marriage .... Oh wait, parliament have passed all laws relating to marriage.

    Furthermore, a plebiscite would spend over one hundred million dollars on a non-binding vote which therefore makes it a glorified opinion poll and all this comes at a time when the government tell us that public spending must be cut. In addition, some politicians have said they would vote against the plebiscite if it was against their views which just makes the whole idea even more pointless.

    The right was ok with not having a plebiscite when legislating marriage previously so therefore to argue for a plebiscite now is hypocritical.

     
  3. ziggyfish

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    To be honest I don't really care how much it cost to have a vote on a plebiscite. The decision should be up to the Australian people, not some politician that doesn't represent my views.

    Shorten wants to revoke the free vote right that Gillard give to members. So even if it is up to the parliament, the views of the electorate would not be taken into consideration. If you were to look at the recent election, then a majority of the public voted for a plebiscite.
     
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    Malcolm Turnbull promised a plebiscite therefore he should deliver. It would cost Australians lots of money and we would be subject to lots of Christian homophobia and heaps of pro-gay propaganda, of which I really don't wanna see either, but it's what we were promised by our elected official so he should deliver.

    What is curious to me is this stalling? Do they expect a significant backlash for allowing same-sex marriage? Are the people they're afraid of a significant reason they're in office? I've watched the Royal Commission on child molestation within Churches get swept under the rug so are those same people responsible for which politician gets a camera pointed at them? I don't understand this whole debacle tbh.
     
  5. ziggyfish

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    I agree, we should have had the plebiscite in the last parliament and gotten the whole issue done and dusted, however, shorten decided to stall the issue, and is continuing to stall the vote again. We the Australian people, need to be able to own the decision. If it's left up to some politician we are always going to have a split society, where a majority of people believe one thing, but the laws say something else.
     
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    We vote on Gay marriage & every other issue that can be decided by Parliament every time we have an election. That is why we have elections in the first place. There is no constitutional need to hold a vote, as there was in Ireland. The plebiscite does not bind a single member of Parliament, so it is a A$160 million opinion poll at a time when we are being harangued by the Government about the need to reduce spending. Scrap the plebiscite, save the money, let Parliament deal with it.

    The Australian people have just voted on this issue, it is now up to the people we voted for to do their damned jobs rather than wasting money on distractions.
     
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    The LNP promised a plebiscite, no-one else promised it.

    If people had wanted a plebiscite badly enough then the LNP would have a majority in both houses. However, they didn't and therefore other parties have a right to block whatever legislation they please.

    The fact is the conservatives in Australia were perfectly fine with the government legislating on marriage until parliament had a majority of people who support same-sex marriage.

    If the government wanted to make the vote binding then I might reconsider my position but I certainly feel that public money could be spent on better things than a glorified opinion poll.
     
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    That us up to the Australians. Those of us from other countries do not gave a dog in this fight.
     
  9. ziggyfish

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    But they did, though. That's the point, One-nation argued for a plebiscite.
    The minor parties in the senate promised to a plebiscite. So the public did vote for a plebiscite.
    With that logic, wanted marriage equality that much either. So having a plebiscite will confirm either way whether people want same sex marriage or not.
    Its about having a say in politics. I myself are in favour of same-sex marriage, I just want my voice to be heard.
    Think about it this way. If the public votes yes, and the government doesn't do anything then if the opposition had any idea of how to win elections, they will make it an election issue.

    The worst thing we can do is to do nothing, and its up to Labor. If Labor feels that the change is needed, then they should be able to argue yay or nay.
     
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    It doesn't matter, some activist judge will overrule the will of the people anyway.
     
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    I dont really want to vote on it and I especially do not want the campaigns to receive public money to push their causes. I support same sex marriage because I would like gays to shut the hell up about it. I am sick of hearing about it. I am sure they will think of something else to complain about but at least it will be one less thing. Oh my God gays are complainers.
     
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    No

    Because it is a cop out. Turnbull knows that if he pushes this through the floor all of the bat (*)(*)(*)(*) right swingers will come swooping down from their roosts and start pulling it apart

    It is also an expense we can live without = especially since the answer is just let people marry whoever they want to
     
  13. ziggyfish

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    So you're afraid of democracy and public scrutiny? got it.
     
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    Most Australians support gay marriage, and some recent polls showed more than 60 per cent of Australians support marriage equality. The national referendum would officially legalise gay marriage but the majority of Aussies oppose the idea only because it costs $160 million to fold the referendum. Unlike the Americans, the Aussies are not particularly religious and they cannot find a good reason to oppose gay marriage unless it's Islamic.

     
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    Your only response is a strawman - got it
     
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    Lets face it mate - most of us would not object if they made marrying an animal legal. (which reminds me of an old joke about the stockmen and taxidermist - but that one is too dirty for a public board like this)
     

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